Survey shows Washington wolf numbers grew by 30% in 2014

[Bob33]

I think we all have some valid points, it's just that we cannot get a straight, truthfull answer from a government agency that works for us. It's not the other way around. We pay high salaries, per diems, etc for these workers and we should demand an honest, reliable answer. If not, get rid of them.

What dishonest answer are you referring to?

The amount of wolves in the state. I don't know if you agree with WDFW or not, but with all the sightings reported to this sight alone makes me believe they're not forthright. I reported and had pictures of tracks near Republic 5-6 years ago and the WDFW didn't care. The government will never give an honest answer to anything, ever.

Which of these answers is dishonest?
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/

Washington's wolf population has continued to grow, according to a statewide survey conducted by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife in 2013.  The survey confirmed the presence of at least 52 wolves in 13 wolf packs with a total of 5 successful breeding pairs by the end of the year.  Wildlife managers emphasize that the actual number of wolves in the state is likely higher than those confirmed by the survey. The survey is not designed to account for every wolf within the state, but rather to monitor the species' progress toward recovery.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar0615a/
"While we can't count every wolf in the state, the formation of four new packs is clear evidence that wolves are recovering in Washington," he said. "Since 2011, the number of confirmed wolf packs has more than tripled in our state."

[CAMPMEAT]

I think we all have some valid points, it's just that we cannot get a straight, truthfull answer from a government agency that works for us. It's not the other way around. We pay high salaries, per diems, etc for these workers and we should demand an honest, reliable answer. If not, get rid of them.

What dishonest answer are you referring to?

The amount of wolves in the state. I don't know if you agree with WDFW or not, but with all the sightings reported to this sight alone makes me believe they're not forthright. I reported and had pictures of tracks near Republic 5-6 years ago and the WDFW didn't care. The government will never give an honest answer to anything, ever.

Which of these answers is dishonest?
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/

Washington's wolf population has continued to grow, according to a statewide survey conducted by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife in 2013.  The survey confirmed the presence of at least 52 wolves in 13 wolf packs with a total of 5 successful breeding pairs by the end of the year.  Wildlife managers emphasize that the actual number of wolves in the state is likely higher than those confirmed by the survey. The survey is not designed to account for every wolf within the state, but rather to monitor the species' progress toward recovery.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar0615a/
"While we can't count every wolf in the state, the formation of four new packs is clear evidence that wolves are recovering in Washington," he said. "Since 2011, the number of confirmed wolf packs has more than tripled in our state."

Bob,
How do you expect anybody to give you answer, YOU'RE fishing for, for argument sakes, when we're lied to all the time ? I do not believe any government agency that is afraid of any group like Communist Northwest and others like it. I don't know how old you are, but come on. We have wolves running around here and I never see any WDFW even attempting to do their job here. I can tell you, it's not very easy to keep a secret in this county.

[Ironhead]

I wonder how it is that they know exactly how many Wolves died last year but have no idea how many Wolves are alive.

[wolfbait]

I wonder how it is that they know exactly how many Wolves died last year but have no idea how many Wolves are alive.

Good Question The answer comes out of which magic hat they pull the number from.

[JimmyHoffa]

I wonder how it is that they know exactly how many Wolves died last year but have no idea how many Wolves are alive.

Good Question The answer comes out of which magic hat they pull the number from.

The one from Conservation NW

[bobcat]

I wonder how it is that they know exactly how many Wolves died last year but have no idea how many Wolves are alive.

They don't. Where did you see that?

[wolfbait]

I think we all have some valid points, it's just that we cannot get a straight, truthfull answer from a government agency that works for us. It's not the other way around. We pay high salaries, per diems, etc for these workers and we should demand an honest, reliable answer. If not, get rid of them.

What dishonest answer are you referring to?

The amount of wolves in the state. I don't know if you agree with WDFW or not, but with all the sightings reported to this sight alone makes me believe they're not forthright. I reported and had pictures of tracks near Republic 5-6 years ago and the WDFW didn't care. The government will never give an honest answer to anything, ever.

Which of these answers is dishonest?
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/

Washington's wolf population has continued to grow, according to a statewide survey conducted by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife in 2013.  The survey confirmed the presence of at least 52 wolves in 13 wolf packs with a total of 5 successful breeding pairs by the end of the year.  Wildlife managers emphasize that the actual number of wolves in the state is likely higher than those confirmed by the survey. The survey is not designed to account for every wolf within the state, but rather to monitor the species' progress toward recovery.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar0615a/
"While we can't count every wolf in the state, the formation of four new packs is clear evidence that wolves are recovering in Washington," he said. "Since 2011, the number of confirmed wolf packs has more than tripled in our state."

These statements remind me of WDFW's effort at confirming wolf packs/breeding pairs, using the Okanogan county as an example: In 2008 WDFW confirmed the "first wolf pack in  Seventy years", and use that one pack to blame all wolf problems and sightings on. They refuse to confirm any other packs in the county even though they know without a doubt there are more packs. They use the excuse that there is not enough funding to document wolves and confirm them.

WDFW doesn't mention in their survey that they don't have enough funding to do an honest count, the pro-wolf groups and WDFW will use the new number to down play the true number of wolves, just like they did with the old numbers last year.

Survey?

Welcome to WDF&Wolves

[wolfbait]

I think most people on this forum would be good with a year around season on wolves, same as coyotes. The problem is trying to convince all the non-hunters that that's a good idea.

I have a hard time seeing any wolf hunting in WA, years of litigation fallowed by a voter initiative.  will the WDFW publicly go before lawmakers and voters and say we NEED wolf hunting as part of wildlife management ?  doubtful.  and trapping is a non-starter.

The only mention of hunting I remember in the wolf plan was a comparison to the moose hunt, and a referance that other states will/may hunt wolves.

I think thats what the pro-wolfers and WDFW are hoping for, but when things really start to go bad, perhaps the pressure will change some minds. At any rate the wolf recipes will be in use full time so there will be some management.

[mfswallace]

Honestly I don't read 99% of what a Wolfbait posts. None of the information comes from credible sources and it's nothing but exaggerations meant to make the WDFW look bad. I think the majority of the people on this forum are smart enough to understand that the WDFW is not some sinister, rogue, governmental agency intent on allowing wolves to multiply to the point that there will be no deer and elk left in the state. Most of us would prefer not to have any wolves in the state, but we need to remember, the WDFW didn't bring them here in the first place.

The worst kind of stupidity is willful ignorance

These kinds of hyperbolic absolutes used so glibly are comical

No need for WB to try and make WDFW look bad they do that well enough themselves     

[idahohuntr]

The worst kind of stupidity is willful ignorance

Yep...some people never choose to seek information from credible, educated sources and so they lead a life of ignorance.

[jasnt]

And some people choose to ignore the facts right in front of there face do to being blinded from miss guided bias

I'd love to hear what sources are deemed credible and which are not and why?

[SkookumHntr]

 

[mfswallace]

The worst kind of stupidity is willful ignorance

Yep...some people never choose to seek information from credible, educated sources and so they lead a life of ignorance.

I agree, poor Bobcat

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S.S.S.

[Special T]

If it looks like, walks like, acts like quacks like a duck there is a VERY high chance it is... We could however spend millions of dollars to do testing to make sure it is really a duck...