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Offline npaull

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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2015, 11:10:39 AM »
Just goes to show ya.... EVERY gun is constantly loaded, the safety is never on, and it is a millisecond away from going off unexpectedly. ALWAYS. If you treat them like that you'll have no regrets.

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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2015, 11:24:32 AM »
Just goes to show ya.... EVERY gun is constantly loaded, the safety is never on, and it is a millisecond away from going off unexpectedly. ALWAYS. If you treat them like that you'll have no regrets.


 :yeah:.............exactly.

Good input.......worth the time to post and read.

Certainly much more intelligent and useful than the one word posts that add absolutely nothing, sans adding to your post count.

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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2015, 11:28:56 AM »
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2015, 11:32:04 AM »
99.9% of remingtons problems came from chowderhead idiots not knowing how to adjust a trigger, just sayin.....


More importantly, much more to the point and where our focus should be..........100% of Remington's past trigger issues came from their own faulty trigger design which they continued to produce, install in their rifles and quite intentionally sell to the general public as well as our military personnel for years and years after it became glaringly obvious that their trigger's were flawed and consequently were endangering people's lives.  Had their triggers worked perfectly, as would be expected on perhaps the most potentially dangerous product that we can purchase over a counter, no fixes or attempt to fix said triggers would be necessary.  That you or I or a very small percentage of other firearm owners choose to rework and/or jewel our triggers (and related accuracy adjustments) to better enhance certain aspects which we believe leads to better performance, is again......our choice.  I and others would include handguns in this choice, as well.

Since maybe 5% (at most) of all firearm owners are so inclined, that would leave a very, very large percentage of firearm owners either disinterested or perhaps unable or unwilling for whatever reason, to perform these adjustments.  The reported AD's were obviously checked for customer modifications and if found to have taken place, then they were discounted as being attributed to the stock trigger issues.  Soooo.......these numerous AD's were documented using stock firearms (lock, stock, barrel and trigger).  No investigative process worth considering would do otherwise.

So........no.  Perfectly honest and trusting hunters and shooters purchased these firearms with the expected belief that if they employed all the possible rules of safe gun handling while using their rifles that they would have a safe, successful, trouble free, fun and memorable family/friend/hunting and shooting experience.

These were not 'chowderhead idiots' or any less or more intelligent than you or I, as you would have us all believe.  These were simply hunters and shooters who bought a product from one of the most well recognized firearm manufacturers of all time.  And they did so with the belief that this company would be as concerned about customer safety as much as their bottomline.  They produce firearms......what more potentially dangerous item can the common person purchase?  Who wouldn't believe that product safety was waaaaay above all else, their highest priority? 

No person or company is infallible and no post of mine states or infers otherwise.  It is how we deal with the unexpected that can oftentimes define us.  In this regard, this Remington debacle could have been handled much more quickly and much less costly than what eventually occured.  The fact that they did not take responsibility for these AD's for years and years, certainly wasn't lost on me or many others.  They put out an unsafe, unreliable product, they didn't 'own it' and then some here find it totally justifiable to blame and disparage the average 'Joe' shooter/hunter for either not knowing how to make their unsafe firearm safe or just not attempting to do so.

The next time you buy a new car and drive it home and the brakes work almost all of the time, I'm sure that you'll be completely satisfied with that performance, pull into the driveway and simply and calmly proceed to both attempt to pinpoint the fault/issue and then repair it, on your own time and on your own dime.  Difference is......when you find your brakes unexpectedly not working 10 yards from the stop light/sign, you have enough time to take some sort of evasive action to help minimize your dicey situation.

Have you ever been able to 'call back' a bullet....?  I know that I haven't..... ;).

 

 

 



 
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2015, 11:40:23 AM »
I adjusted my first 700 trigger 25 years ago, sophomore year in high school in my metal shop at high school. Long ago lost count of how many 7 & 700 triggers I've adjusted. Perty easy to trip em when you flick the safety off or while closing the bolt. Ya think I left them that way?? I've got a couple on custom builds right now that work excellent, not worried about em in the least, but I'm not a chowderhead either....
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2015, 12:06:26 PM »
I adjusted my first 700 trigger 25 years ago, sophomore year in high school in my metal shop at high school. Long ago lost count of how many 7 & 700 triggers I've adjusted. Perty easy to trip em when you flick the safety off or while closing the bolt. Ya think I left them that way?? I've got a couple on custom builds right now that work excellent, not worried about em in the least, but I'm not a chowderhead either....
proving Magnumbs point..good post!
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2015, 12:22:29 PM »
I adjusted my first 700 trigger 25 years ago, sophomore year in high school in my metal shop at high school. Long ago lost count of how many 7 & 700 triggers I've adjusted. Perty easy to trip em when you flick the safety off or while closing the bolt. Ya think I left them that way?? I've got a couple on custom builds right now that work excellent, not worried about em in the least, but I'm not a chowderhead either....
proving Magnumbs point..good post!


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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2015, 12:22:44 PM »
And my point as well, chowderheads shouldn't mess with stuff...

PS, thanks Dewey
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2015, 12:25:30 PM »
I count 5 words, so you're good to go........ :tup:

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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2015, 12:41:35 PM »



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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2015, 03:09:04 PM »
Tag to show my kids later....
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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2015, 03:57:01 PM »
To show them about issues related to gun safety.  Or how to behave on a forum? :chuckle:
He asked, Do you ever give a short simple answer?  I replied, "Nope."

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Re: This is scary!
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2015, 07:46:16 PM »
There is a reason that one of the most important rules of firearm safety is to keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times.
This is true whether the gun is unloaded, your finger is off the trigger, or if the safety is on.

Thanks curlewkiller for posting the video for us and kudos to those who posted the original video.

Mass production and quality don't always go hand in hand.

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