Baiting: A possible solution?

[bearpaw]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

[bearpaw]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

After considering your situation and other comments I came up with these simple rules:

OPTION 2 (after input from forum members)

Bait must:
- be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway if visible from that roadway
- not come in contact with a lake, pond, stream, or seasonal stream
- have no more than 8 cubic feet of material placed within a 16 hour period

I would ask if there are any members who cannot live with these simple rules if the Commission feels they must set some limitations?
Please, constructive comments only!

[lokidog]

No, no, no, if I want to place bait on my private property and it is visible from the road, TOO BAD!!!  Don't look at it if you don't like it.

[bearpaw]

No, no, no, if I want to place bait on my private property and it is visible from the road, TOO BAD!!!  Don't look at it if you don't like it.

Would you rather have the commission (many non-hunters) write some rules or should we offer some well thought out and reasonable options?

[lokidog]

No, no, no, if I want to place bait on my private property and it is visible from the road, TOO BAD!!!  Don't look at it if you don't like it.

Would you rather have the commission (many non-hunters) write some rules or should we offer some well thought out and reasonable options?

WHy not have a distinction for public and private land?  Seems pretty easy to know the difference?

[BULLBLASTER]

would the general public have the same rules about feeding deer? I ask because I live in a neighborhood and the neighbor throws bread or veggies out sometimes in their yard to see the deer. it is visible from a road... I would hate to set rules that also prohibit this activity...
I still think that no change is best. 

[bearpaw]

No, no, no, if I want to place bait on my private property and it is visible from the road, TOO BAD!!!  Don't look at it if you don't like it.

Would you rather have the commission (many non-hunters) write some rules or should we offer some well thought out and reasonable options?

WHy not have a distinction for public and private land?  Seems pretty easy to know the difference?

Unless I am mistaken, many of the biggest complaints are coming from baits that are on on private land. I'm wondering if those rules would hinder you to the point of not being able to bait?

would the general public have the same rules about feeding deer? I ask because I live in a neighborhood and the neighbor throws bread or veggies out sometimes in their yard to see the deer. it is visible from a road... I would hate to set rules that also prohibit this activity...
I still think that no change is best. 

These are hunting over bait rules.

[grundy53]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

After considering your situation and other comments I came up with these simple rules:

OPTION 2 (after input from forum members)

Bait must:
- be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway if visible from that roadway
- not come in contact with a lake, pond, stream, or seasonal stream
- have no more than 8 cubic feet of material placed within a 16 hour period

I would ask if there are any members who cannot live with these simple rules if the Commission feels they must set some limitations?
Please, constructive comments only!

Could you please explain the reasoning for the buffer near water? Is there a run off concern?

[grundy53]

I would be ok with no baiting on public land. It is basically littering. No change to private land with the exception of volume restrictions for those doing it commercially.

How is it littering if the bait is biodegradable?

[bearpaw]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

After considering your situation and other comments I came up with these simple rules:

OPTION 2 (after input from forum members)

Bait must:
- be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway if visible from that roadway
- not come in contact with a lake, pond, stream, or seasonal stream
- have no more than 8 cubic feet of material placed within a 16 hour period

I would ask if there are any members who cannot live with these simple rules if the Commission feels they must set some limitations?
Please, constructive comments only!

Could you please explain the reasoning for the buffer near water? Is there a run off concern?

Contamination of water! That is a huge deal everywhere. In all my operating permits in every state there are limitations detailing distances from water for almost any activity. In Idaho they limit how close you can place bait to water. Contamination of salmon streams is the last thing we want to happen, that could cause a serious reaction by government.

I would be ok with no baiting on public land. It is basically littering. No change to private land with the exception of volume restrictions for those doing it commercially.

How is it littering if the bait is biodegradable?

 

[grundy53]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

After considering your situation and other comments I came up with these simple rules:

OPTION 2 (after input from forum members)

Bait must:
- be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway if visible from that roadway
- not come in contact with a lake, pond, stream, or seasonal stream
- have no more than 8 cubic feet of material placed within a 16 hour period

I would ask if there are any members who cannot live with these simple rules if the Commission feels they must set some limitations?
Please, constructive comments only!

Could you please explain the reasoning for the buffer near water? Is there a run off concern?

Contamination of water! That is a huge deal everywhere. In all my operating permits in every state there are limitations detailing distances from water for almost any activity. In Idaho they limit how close you can place bait to water. Contamination of salmon streams is the last thing we want to happen, that could cause a serious reaction by government.

I would be ok with no baiting on public land. It is basically littering. No change to private land with the exception of volume restrictions for those doing it commercially.

How is it littering if the bait is biodegradable?

 

How is it going to contaminate the water? Deer bait isn't the same as bear bait. There generally isn't greases and oils. It's plant matter or minerals.

[Skillet]

Bearpaw, with all due respect - all of the proximity and public/private rules in the world won't help the commission appease the majority of those that oppose baiting - which you state to be other hunters who don't like it.  I believe the focus needs to be on what those hunters don't like about it, and I tend to believe that as stated earlier in this thread, they feel it results in reduced opportunities for themselves.  A couple of dumptrucks full of apples will move deer off of their normal patterns, no doubt about it.  That's means we should focus on volume alone, not location or land ownership.
 

[grundy53]

I would be ok with no baiting on public land. It is basically littering. No change to private land with the exception of volume restrictions for those doing it commercially.

How is it littering if the bait is biodegradable?

I have never seen an exception in any littering law saying it is ok to dump stuff if it is biodegradable? It can still make a stinky mess for quite some time.

There is also no exception saying you can litter on private property either. I don't think its's even close to littering. I also don't think we should ban a hunting method on public land that we allow on private land.

[jasnt]

What about man-made ponds. In my food plots I have built a watering hole.  It is right next to the corn feeder and mineral site.

[bearpaw]

My property is 1 acre. I have been baiting deer here for years. The farthest I can put my bait from the road is 80 yards. That puts the bait about 10 yards from a seasonal creek. Your limitations would make it illegal for me to bait on my property. I use apples.

Thank you for posting this info.

Even though I prefer no baiting restrictions, if the commission feels they must regulate baiting to resolve some of the problems I would much rather see rules that do not affect the average hunter negatively. By knowing circumstances like you have detailed, we can advise minimal rules that will have the least impact on the average guy who isn't causing the problems.

After considering your situation and other comments I came up with these simple rules:

OPTION 2 (after input from forum members)

Bait must:
- be at least 1/4 mile from a public maintained roadway if visible from that roadway
- not come in contact with a lake, pond, stream, or seasonal stream
- have no more than 8 cubic feet of material placed within a 16 hour period

I would ask if there are any members who cannot live with these simple rules if the Commission feels they must set some limitations?
Please, constructive comments only!

Could you please explain the reasoning for the buffer near water? Is there a run off concern?

Contamination of water! That is a huge deal everywhere. In all my operating permits in every state there are limitations detailing distances from water for almost any activity. In Idaho they limit how close you can place bait to water. Contamination of salmon streams is the last thing we want to happen, that could cause a serious reaction by government.

I would be ok with no baiting on public land. It is basically littering. No change to private land with the exception of volume restrictions for those doing it commercially.

How is it littering if the bait is biodegradable?

 

How is it going to contaminate the water? Deer bait isn't the same as bear bait. There generally isn't greases and oils. It's plant matter or minerals.

It's not my concern, I'm just trying to offer some reasonable solutions that everyone can live with. Please ask the Dept of Ecology what you can put in salmon streams, or any stream for that matter!

Bearpaw, with all due respect - all of the proximity and public/private rules in the world won't help the commission appease the majority of those that oppose baiting - which you state to be other hunters who don't like it.  I believe the focus needs to be on what those hunters don't like about it, and I tend to believe that as stated earlier in this thread, they feel it results in reduced opportunities for themselves.  A couple of dumptrucks full of apples will move deer off of their normal patterns, no doubt about it.  That's means we should focus on volume alone, not location or land ownership.
 

Water is a serious concern
Visibility is a concern (what's out of sight, is out of mind)
One of the biggest complaints I hear is the dumping of truckloads of bait

If we deal with these issues then the people who still want to complain are just complainers that will never be satisfied.

What about man-made ponds. In my food plots I have built a watering hole.  It is right next to the corn feeder and mineral site.

I don't know! Is your feeder throwing corn in the water, is that even an issue? If it is an issue can you simply move the feeder over a few feet?