Washington State Legal Muzzleloader questions....

[CAMPMEAT]

I have a T/C Grey Hawk 54 caliber. I have everything needed to hunt with it.

Question is: If I buy a new Washington State legal muzzleloader, will the 2 F powder work ?

What do you guys have in the way of a Wa State legal muzzleloader ?

How far will they shoot , are they accurate and how much are they ?

Likes and dislikes ?

Thanks.....

[whacker1]

4F is too hot.....this is normally only used in pistols if I recall.  Most use 2F or 3F.

Reminton 700 ML in .50 or .54

Knight Bighorn
Knight Disc Extreme w/western kit
Knight Ultralight w/western Kit
Knight Mountaineer w/western Kit

These are probably the front runners

CVA makes or made several
Thompson used to make some, but not sure if they make any right now that are legal for NW

They will shoot a long ways and accurate.  I have put 8 inch groups together at 225, but not with open sites. 

I would say comfort level with open sites is the limitation.  150 is where most long range shooters lose the target.  100 -125 is where most start to limit themselves. 

[CAMPMEAT]

I guessed on the 4 F. It's 2 F.

[jackelope]

I guessed on the 4 F. It's 2 F.

2f is good to go.

I'm running a Knight Disc Extreme. $400-500 I think. Really nice rifle, haven't shot it yet but fit and finish is the nicest one I've ever owned. That's compared to a couple T/C's and a CVA.

[CAMPMEAT]

4F is too hot.....this is normally only used in pistols if I recall.  Most use 2F or 3F.

Reminton 700 ML in .50 or .54

Knight Bighorn
Knight Disc Extreme w/western kit
Knight Ultralight w/western Kit
Knight Mountaineer w/western Kit

These are probably the front runners

CVA makes or made several
Thompson used to make some, but not sure if they make any right now that are legal for NW

They will shoot a long ways and accurate.  I have put 8 inch groups together at 225, but not with open sites. 

I would say comfort level with open sites is the limitation.  150 is where most long range shooters lose the target.  100 -125 is where most start to limit themselves.

I thought 100-150 yards was the best.

I'd like to stay with the 54 caliber, since that's what I already have. I want to use it for a quality bull if I get drawn for it.

[whacker1]

4F is too hot.....this is normally only used in pistols if I recall.  Most use 2F or 3F.

Reminton 700 ML in .50 or .54

Knight Bighorn
Knight Disc Extreme w/western kit
Knight Ultralight w/western Kit
Knight Mountaineer w/western Kit

These are probably the front runners

CVA makes or made several
Thompson used to make some, but not sure if they make any right now that are legal for NW

They will shoot a long ways and accurate.  I have put 8 inch groups together at 225, but not with open sites. 

I would say comfort level with open sites is the limitation.  150 is where most long range shooters lose the target.  100 -125 is where most start to limit themselves.

I thought 100-150 yards was the best.

I'd like to stay with the 54 caliber, since that's what I already have. I want to use it for a quality bull if I get drawn for it.

.54's harder to come by in these newer muzzleloaders.

more options in the .50 by far including accessories as well.

Knight has 3 viable options that are currently produced as the elite versions of what is available in the NW muzzleloader market.  I would be looking at one of those for sure.  100-150 yards with a Williams peep set up for me.

However, I shoot a Remington .54.  It isn't made anymore, so I will be upgrading in the next 5 or so years to a Knight unless something comes out in the next few years that is worth pursuing.

I shot a decent bull at 80 yards last year, and that was well within range.  very comfortable shot off hand.

[CAMPMEAT]

I just ordered an Optima from Muzzleloaders com. Should be here by Thursday. $6 shipping, NW legal.

Thanks for the responses. Now, if I only get drawn for a quality elk tag.................

[BULLBLASTER]

I have a disc extreme western. I am amazed how accurate this thing is with a williams peep and stock front sight. I shot 2 groups last friday that are legitimate sub moa groups! One with 250 grain knight red hot bullets and the other with 290 barnes tez bullets. Never would i have imagined that i could shoot anything moa with open sights... maybe i got lucky! 

[whacker1]

I have a disc extreme western. I am amazed how accurate this thing is with a williams peep and stock front sight. I shot 2 groups last friday that are legitimate sub moa groups! One with 250 grain knight red hot bullets and the other with 290 barnes tez bullets. Never would i have imagined that i could shoot anything moa with open sights... maybe i got lucky! 

Get a williams sight hood and you will be even more impressed.   

[CAMPMEAT]

C'mon guys. Don't make me feel bad now...

[whacker1]

C'mon guys. Don't make me feel bad now...

I am very curious to see how you like the CVA. 

[CAMPMEAT]

C'mon guys. Don't make me feel bad now...

I am very curious to see how you like the CVA.

I will let you know....I should get it Thursday...

[CAMPMEAT]

Are 209 primers legal in Washington now ? I got my Optima 2 today with the NW legal kit and my #11 caps don't fit. Sup wit dat ?

[bobcat]

It uses musket caps, not #11's.

[2labs]

No on the 209s in wa.