Changes you would like to see in the big game drawings

[Curly]

If the main complaint people have is  how long it takes to draw one of the premier permits, they need to reduce the applicant pool.  People need to decide if it's worth the gamble to keep applying for something that is almost impossible to draw or simply apply for a less popular permit. With this category system you get tons of people throwing their names in the hat for those premier permits and then they can also apply for decent permits in other categorie.........the old system was far better in my opinion.

[buckhorn2]

One of the people I take is a disabled hunter he wonders why disabled don.t get a draw for antlered elk except for the mud flow on the west side not that he would;nt be happy with a cow but always hoped to have a chance to take a bull. With all of the gates and timber permits he can't financially afford to apply for the east side he puts in for the mud flow but with only 4 permits there he has little other chance to ever take a bull.

[trophyhunt]

Three thoughts.....

1.  I don't agree with having a certain number of points before applying for certain hunts.  Anyone should be able to apply at any time for any hunt.

2.  Set a % of tags that go to people with the most points.  Example.....25% of the tags will go to people with 15 points or more.....This should not exclude people with 15 or more points from drawing the other 75% of the quota.  It just guarantees that 25% of the tags would go to people with multiple points.  This will help level the playing field and will also give people that have multiple points / years a better chance of drawing. 

The way the system is now....your points don't mean anything.  If you have 4500 applicants / people with an average of 11 points (squared) per person, your 15 or 25 points are still a very small percentage of the draw.   

3.  A system that will not allow you to draw multiple tags in the same species.  If  you draw quality....you cannot draw buck or doe.  If don't draw quality but draw buck, you cant draw doe, ect.   It is really dumb that you you could theoretically draw quality, buck and doe all in one year and only kill one animal.  Wast of points.   


 

i like 2 and 3, good points. But I do like the idea of a certain amount of points for quality tags.  Seems like a lot of guys also like the idea of not being able to apply for OIL tags if you apply for quality deer or elk , and vise versa.  I think that would help odds a bunch for OIL tags without impacting revenue.  Love the ideas, keep them coming. 

[vandeman17]

After reading all the posts so far the two changes I like are the earlier draw and results which should be easy and the limiting of choices to either oil or deer/elk.

With everything being mentioned, if some of these changes took place I would consider continuing my Washington permit apps but as it stands, once I draw anything I will stop applying and be focusing out of state. 

[sled]

  The change I would like to see is that for for a successful applicant drawn for a permit not be eligible to draw again for three years.  The applicant can still put in for ghost points in the mean time.
  I think it would make the chances better, and the dept of fish and wildlife would still get their money

[BOWHUNTER45]

We all know it doesn't have anything to do with what we want  But for some reason they decided to do what ( WE ) Vote on , then I would like to see these guys with 15 or more points start getting a tag ...I also agree with once you draw a quality you should not be eligible to apply again for 3 to 5 years ..I think that would even out the playing field ...and more guys and gals would have a chance at a quality tag .. I am not greedy and since I drew mine I have not applied since for a quality tag ..I actually applied for a spike tag this year So I can shoot them out of my yard .. 

[fishngamereaper]

The state split up deer and elk years ago to make money. People thought draw odds would go up but they did not. The state will not be willing to loose money so I don't see them limiting how many categories you can apply for. Although I would like that, kind of like it used to be, pick cow, bull, quality etc. Leave the points in the categories though. So if you apply for and draw cow you don't loose quality points.

I would like to see a set percentage of the tags going to the highest percentage of points holders. I don't think its a fair system when top point holders rarely draw in the oil tags.

I would also like to see the state limit you to 1 oil tag app. And if you draw an Oil you cant apply for any Oil's for 3 years. Same with deer and elk, you draw a deer or elk tag and you can't draw for 2 years in that category.

I would be willing to front money for Oil tags as well.

[bobcat]

I'd be fine with a waiting period,  but I wouldn't like not being able to apply for moose if I also apply for deer or elk. I think most people would agree with me on that. I understand Idaho is that way, and that's great for them, but they've been that way since the beginning. I don't like the rules changing in the middle of the game.

[trophyhunt]

After reading all the posts so far the two changes I like are the earlier draw and results which should be easy and the limiting of choices to either oil or deer/elk.

With everything being mentioned, if some of these changes took place I would consider continuing my Washington permit apps but as it stands, once I draw anything I will stop applying and be focusing out of state. 

Those two thoughts seem to be the most popular, along with a wait period after a quality draw.

[trophyhunt]

  The change I would like to see is that for for a successful applicant drawn for a permit not be eligible to draw again for three years.  The applicant can still put in for ghost points in the mean time.
  I think it would make the chances better, and the dept of fish and wildlife would still get their money

I'm not sure why they would be against this, they still get their money from ghost points and it should increase odds ever so slightly.

[bobcat]

I would like to see a set percentage of the tags going to the highest percentage of points holders. I don't think its a fair system when top point holders rarely draw in the oil tags.

I don't think it's true to say that top point holders rarely draw. I think the system is working as intended. We also don't want new hunters to be discouraged by the low odds so that they don't apply. If anything, I'd like to see them quit using points in the moose, sheep, and goat draws.

[bobcat]

A waiting period is a good idea but I think it would somewhat defeat the purpose of it to allow those people to apply for points.

[trophyhunt]

I would like to see a set percentage of the tags going to the highest percentage of points holders. I don't think its a fair system when top point holders rarely draw in the oil tags.

I don't think it's true to say that top point holders rarely draw. I think the system is working as intended. We also don't want new hunters to be discouraged by the low odds so that they don't apply. If anything, I'd like to see them quit using points in the moose, sheep, and goat draws.

Having the points for OIL be exponential is really no advantage considering how many names are in the hat.  I wonder is the odds would be better with no points or just the points not adding up exponentially?  Just have it be 5 points equal 5 names not 25. 

[rougheye]

I want archery only permits for oil tags

[fishngamereaper]

I would like to see a set percentage of the tags going to the highest percentage of points holders. I don't think its a fair system when top point holders rarely draw in the oil tags.

I don't think it's true to say that top point holders rarely draw. I think the system is working as intended. We also don't want new hunters to be discouraged by the low odds so that they don't apply. If anything, I'd like to see them quit using points in the moose, sheep, and goat draws.

Easy for you to say, you got drawn for your sheep tag. Take away my points is like taking away 18 years of hopes and dreams.