Changes you would like to see in the big game drawings

[EyeTooth]

Thanks mp.hunter,
I know the drawings are done by outdoor central, and the answer you gave as to what the witness does is exactly what I expected.
Thanks to you too, for doing your part to help!
Back to the subject at hand...........

[bobcat]

Well, I remember when we received our results on a post card in the mail box sometime in August.

I think I'd be fine with the late results if we could go back to the simplistic system we had back then.

[Special T]

My biggest beef is that the Washington system takes until June to complete the draws. I would like to see it completed by the end of February or even January. Other western states do it, why  not Washington. It is very difficult to plan on an OIL hunt with only two months notice. It is even hard to plan any hunt with that kind of notice.

[Special T]

I would like to see a set percentage of the tags going to the highest percentage of points holders. I don't think its a fair system when top point holders rarely draw in the oil tags.

I don't think it's true to say that top point holders rarely draw. I think the system is working as intended. We also don't want new hunters to be discouraged by the low odds so that they don't apply. If anything, I'd like to see them quit using points in the moose, sheep, and goat draws.

I gave up on acrewing points and the draw system they they spit it up a bunch. I let my realitilvy small ammount of point go away because its a hustle. Despite my desire to hunt certain Quality tags i have just chosen to put more time in the woods near me. So far Its paid off... I have found a few good spots and LOTS of mushrooms... Not to mention i have more time and $ to go into the woods. 

[bobcat]

All states don't have their draw before ours. The deadline for deer and antelope applications in Wyoming is June 1st. I think Idaho's deadline is a few days later than that.

I'm fine with the timing of our draw. I actually wouldn't want it any earlier. As soon as possible after the application deadline, sure. But I wouldn't want the application period any earlier than the middle of May.

[JimmyHoffa]

All states don't have their draw before ours. The deadline for deer and antelope applications in Wyoming is June 1st. I think Idaho's deadline is a few days later than that.

I'm fine with the timing of our draw. I actually wouldn't want it any earlier. As soon as possible after the application deadline, sure. But I wouldn't want the application period any earlier than the middle of May.

Any reason?  It seems like it would benefit more people to get the longer time to submit for vacations and work out scouting plans/hunting trips.

[mfswallace]

All states don't have their draw before ours. The deadline for deer and antelope applications in Wyoming is June 1st. I think Idaho's deadline is a few days later than that.

I'm fine with the timing of our draw. I actually wouldn't want it any earlier. As soon as possible after the application deadline, sure. But I wouldn't want the application period any earlier than the middle of May.

Any reason?  It seems like it would benefit more people to get the longer time to submit for vacations and work out scouting plans/hunting trips.

Plus research and scouting, only seems like upsides....

Bcat what down side do u see?

[trophyhunt]

All states don't have their draw before ours. The deadline for deer and antelope applications in Wyoming is June 1st. I think Idaho's deadline is a few days later than that.

I'm fine with the timing of our draw. I actually wouldn't want it any earlier. As soon as possible after the application deadline, sure. But I wouldn't want the application period any earlier than the middle of May.

Any reason?  It seems like it would benefit more people to get the longer time to submit for vacations and work out scouting plans/hunting trips.

wdfw always waits for the hunter reports before setting the quotas for special permits, someone on here talked about it.  They have late hunts they wait for, then they work on numbers.  It seems to me they could get the permits out sooner, and if the numbers in the late hunts are so far off, they could just adjust them for the following years? Getting the permits out faster will probably be one of the questions asked.

[mfswallace]

Wdfw should put more effort into actual deer and elk surveying and not depend on harvest info then there wouldn't be any excuses...

[Miles]

I think it should be 1 or 2 hunt choices with no accrual of preference points.   A simple name in the hat each year.     

It seems that with these draw systems everyone wants "their tag".  They dream up ideas to get tags based on how many years they've been putting in, points, point/drawing systems, etc...   Everyone wants to increase their odds and at the same time shaft the "new guy who doesn't deserve the tag anyway".    It all goes back to the "me, me, me" mentality.    I say do away with it all, make it a simple RAFFLE/DRAWING, and be done with it.  It's fair to everyone each year.

[DeerThug]

Ok so i did not wade through all 6 pages of this but here are my suggestions for improving the draw system.

1) send someone from wdfw to Wyoming to see how they have improved their system..  for example they have implemented an application deadline and result posting date.  Antelope deadline May 31 results posted June 20.  That way we all know when it is coming out.  would help in getting vacation time off of work and would stop all of the posts on here about the BACKDOOR...  not that i dont enjoy the back door but just saying///

2) it seems to me that a good computer person and the permit system..  deadline occurs.  Push a button, permits allocated and results posted.  why does it take as long as it does.

3) as for points - not sure how to allocate a quality tag to those of us that are getting up there, but me for example have yet to draw a bull tag at max points and have had only one buck permit.  now while i really dont' mind shooting spike/cow every year and rag horn bucks : i need a branched bull to hang on the wall...  not sure what to suggest but something needs done.  Like once you are 50 there is a point and age multiplier figured in so that someone like me can get drawn while i can still do it physically and have the golden years to talk about it.

Was going to go to Idaho last year for a bull but ended up here with my daughter on a deer hunt.. maybe this year...  would rather get a bull here....

[Wacenturion]

I think it should be 1 or 2 hunt choices with no accrual of preference points.   A simple name in the hat each year.     

It seems that with these draw systems everyone wants "their tag".  They dream up ideas to get tags based on how many years they've been putting in, points, point/drawing systems, etc...   Everyone wants to increase their odds and at the same time shaft the "new guy who doesn't deserve the tag anyway".    It all goes back to the "me, me, me" mentality.    I say do away with it all, make it a simple RAFFLE/DRAWING, and be done with it.  It's fair to everyone each year.

Would certainly be a whole lot better.....and as you say, fair to everyone every year.  One choice though.  Another 10 years of improvements by WDFW and they will mirror the IRS.

[bobcat]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

[Bullkllr]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

  Exactly!

[andrew_in_idaho]

2) it seems to me that a good computer person and the permit system..  deadline occurs.  Push a button, permits allocated and results posted.  why does it take as long as it does.

I don't have an answer specific to wdfw's draw on this subject but I know that I have heard the reasons results for Idaho draws take anywhere from 2-4 weeks include waiting for mailed applications(not an issue in WA, correct?) and verifying eligibility of applicants.

As for those of you who want WA to adopt a system where you can only apply for 1 OIL species like Idaho's system, I don't see it working the way it does here in idaho as the point system throws a kink into the plan. In idaho one can apply for 1 species knowing they are not falling behind in the other species draws.