Changes you would like to see in the big game drawings

[bobcat]

Yeah, it's too late for us to limit people to only applying for moose, sheep, or goats. With the point system it really wouldn't be fair.

[Miles]

It's never too late...

[trophyhunt]

I put some of the more popular change options on a poll, had to not do all the suggestions, one I liked a lot.  I tried to stick with the one's most mentioned.  I did like the no ghost point option unless your in the waiting period. If there was a waiting period.

[steeleywhopper]

Lets say someone draws a quality Elk tag in Dayton and also draws a cow tag in the Clockum. Lets say the guy shoots his bull on the opening day of the Special hunt in Dayton, as it is now in the system he is done hunting elk for the year. I say we make it so the guy can purchase a second elk tag and go after the cow in the Clockum. What the heck is the reason for punishing people who draw special permits in two categories? Let them hunt for both animals. THe WDFW have already determined that X amount of cow tags or Bull tags for a certain area can be permitted. What the heck is the difference if a guy who draws nothing but a cow tag shoots one or a guy who has drawn a permit in two categories shoots it? We've paid for the points and played the game WDFW, Let us hunt!

[mfswallace]

Lets say someone draws a quality Elk tag in Dayton and also draws a cow tag in the Clockum. Lets say the guy shoots his bull on the opening day of the Special hunt in Dayton, as it is now in the system he is done hunting elk for the year. I say we make it so the guy can purchase a second elk tag and go after the cow in the Clockum. What the heck is the reason for punishing people who draw special permits in two categories? Let them hunt for both animals. THe WDFW have already determined that X amount of cow tags or Bull tags for a certain area can be permitted. What the heck is the difference if a guy who draws nothing but a cow tag shoots one or a guy who has drawn a permit in two categories shoots it? We've paid for the points and played the game WDFW, Let us hunt!

 

[blackveltbowhunter]

 

   I don't have the years of experience in the draws many of you do. Went in with 12 points this Year. Personally.... I really think we have the fairest and most realistic point system available. The category split a few years back is what  shot down our draw odds. I understand it's a revenue generator for the state, but why not simply combine Fees and eliminate these multiple categories? if it's working the way we are speculating most folks are applying for all applicable categories. Some of these are "wasted" tags I am sure as I personally know of at least a dozen drawn cow tags that never even got hunted on. But regardless I know I would rather pay a one flat fee of say 25 bucks rather than split those fees over three categories (cow, bull, quality).

[trophyhunt]

Lets say someone draws a quality Elk tag in Dayton and also draws a cow tag in the Clockum. Lets say the guy shoots his bull on the opening day of the Special hunt in Dayton, as it is now in the system he is done hunting elk for the year. I say we make it so the guy can purchase a second elk tag and go after the cow in the Clockum. What the heck is the reason for punishing people who draw special permits in two categories? Let them hunt for both animals. THe WDFW have already determined that X amount of cow tags or Bull tags for a certain area can be permitted. What the heck is the difference if a guy who draws nothing but a cow tag shoots one or a guy who has drawn a permit in two categories shoots it? We've paid for the points and played the game WDFW, Let us hunt!

i like this idea, I just wonder how many hunters have the time and money to fill that second tag? I wonder if most those tags would still go waisted?  I do like the option though, I've recommend to mr ware before that we have a left over tag draw for the extra tags people drew that didn't want them.  More revenue for them and better chance the tag gets used.

[bbarnes]

Open the whole state up for ELK not east or west.The WDFW complains about being broke but limits where you can hunt.Why as a west side resident am I not allowed to draw for east side tags and if not drawn be forced to hunt the east side STUPID.

[Bullkllr]

   I don't have the years of experience in the draws many of you do. Went in with 12 points this Year. Personally.... I really think we have the fairest and most realistic point system available. The category split a few years back is what  shot down our draw odds. I understand it's a revenue generator for the state, but why not simply combine Fees and eliminate these multiple categories? if it's working the way we are speculating most folks are applying for all applicable categories. Some of these are "wasted" tags I am sure as I personally know of at least a dozen drawn cow tags that never even got hunted on. But regardless I know I would rather pay a one flat fee of say 25 bucks rather than split those fees over three categories (cow, bull, quality).

I would rather see separate categories eliminated, but as you suggest the DFW seems to like the added revenue.

I don't see the problem in the potential to draw more than 1 permit per species. It is part of the game. Apply strategically.I look at it more as potential wasted points rather than wasted permits. People that draw more than 1 still get to hunt where they want. If a guy has lots of points in multiple categories it is probably smart to modify the categories you are putting in for to avoid multiple selections. For example if I have an archery elk tag I would put in for quality, take the points option in the bull category, and probably not put in for cow at all.

I understand  feeling the need of putting in for all categories, with the draw odds on the quality hunts being what they are. Basically, what happened was when they went to the multi categories, people who normally put in for "quality" were sitting on a lot of points. People that typically put in for cow tags for example were not, since they had a good chance of getting drawn every couple years.

Then, everyone started putting in for multiple categories, the odds in all categories got much steeper, and people with more points (usually) were drawing permits in more than 1 category. I think the odds of this happening will (and have) gone down as points distribute more naturally.

Again, it really was a result of the way points were applied to all categories. It will work itself out.

As far as allowing multi harvest tags, imagine a youth hunter drawing quality, bull, cow, youth elk...do they get to kill 4 elk?

[huntnphool]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

  That is a spot on post!

[bobcat]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

100% true! And they lied and said it was to improve drawing odds. I blame it all on one person- Dave Ware. Thankfully he's only in charge of the wolves now, and nothing else.   

[huntnphool]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

 Dave Ware, Thankfully he's only in charge of the wolves now, and nothing else.   

 

[mfswallace]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

 Dave Ware, Thankfully he's only in charge of the wolves now, and nothing else.   

 

 

[Curly]

Wacenturion, this is why I don't even want to ask for any changes to the system. Every time "improvements" have been made, it has become more complicated, less fair, and more expensive.

 The changes have done exactly what they were originally designed to do, "improve" the revenue stream, that is all they have ever been intended to do.....period!

100% true! And they lied and said it was to improve drawing odds. I blame it all on one person- Dave Ware. Thankfully he's only in charge of the wolves now, and nothing else.   

  Thankfully? 

See my post in another thread: 

When it comes time for wdfw to make wolf management decisions, I can hear Dave Ware saying: "There was broad public support for this decision" (whatever decision they end up making).  He will consider what is discussed in the WAG as "broad public support" just like he did with the GMAC in implementing the current special permit application system he pushed through. 

I wish D Ware would retire already.  Hasn't he screwed up enough things in this state? 

If he wishes to do something good, how about starting a point system for wolf permits.  they could start selling  ghost points right now for wolf hunting so that  someday when a hunting season starts up people can start applying for permits.  Guys could get a jump on point building right now.

(at least that is how he could sell the idea of people buying points now.  of course hunting will likely never happen in this state, but hey.......he could make a bunch of money off of point buying fools like us).