Interesting broadhead grouping problem

[Chesapeake]

I shoot Easton axis arrows. I find the "spine" of the arrow prior to building it. Like a fishing rod builder would find the "spine" of a rod before building it. I flex the arrow against my thigh and roll it while flexed. Doing this you can feel it get stiff and weak as it rotates. This is the same thing you find with Radsav's  turn the knock method.

I then orient the stiff side so that all arrows are the same in this regard. I put it to the cock feather, but that don't matter as long as they are all the same.

Even after all this fun, some arrows just wont play nice. They get relegated to practice arrows and blunt arrows for trashing trying for grouse. 

I've also found that if an arrow impacts something hard, like missing the bales and hitting a 4x4 ect.... that the arrow may then no longer group with all the others even though no visual difference can be seen. Again, its a blunt arrow after that.

I tune my bow using field points and some Magnus 2 blade broad heads. These broad heads are like sails, so if they hit with field points than any of the small profile blade heads will hit as well. I shoot a Hoyt so get to do all the cam lean tuning, ect... Its a process, but once done, its oh so nice.





 

[RadSav]

Are there mid-priced arrows on the market that are known for spine consistency?

Victory V-Force and most of the Black Eagle shafts fit that.  Beman ICS are hit and miss - One dozen is perfect the next dozen might have four bad.  But I do like Beman quite well. 

In the mid-price market I'd give the edge to Victory myself.

xXx has spent a good bit of time shooting both the Black Eagle and the Victory.  Way more time with them than I have.  Might want to drop him a PM or call the shop to chat and get pricing.

[Band]

Not a bad price for those Victory arrows.  I'll look into them a little more, thanks!

[swashington2128]

I've used the Victory V-Force arrows for a couple of years now. Very consistent even after hundreds of shots into the hay bails. Switching between field points and either fixed or mechanical broadheads has not made a difference in point of aim.

I can attest to the fact that they will splinter when they hit a branch at 30 yards. Never saw that sucker.

Victory has my vote for inexpensive and still quality.

[scoutdog346]

Turn your knocks

[Band]

Likely a combination of things such as weak spine plus cheap Easton all carbon arrows..

This was the root of the problem!!  I picked up a dozen Victory VForce Sport arrows per your recommendation and had a shooting session today.  Without even touching the rest or rotating nocks for fine tuning yet they are already grouping my broad heads far better than I've been able to achieve during the past 2 years of endless frustration!

I used to recommend cheap carbons to new archers to get started but you won't hear that from me again!  Sometimes saving a buck is a good idea and sometimes it's not!

[RadSav]

Sounds like someone is going to be eating fresh tenderloin come September!  Glad to hear everything is coming together

How is the backup bow shooting?  Did it tune up ok with the new threads and arrows?

[Band]

How is the backup bow shooting?  Did it tune up ok with the new threads and arrows?

Im going to try the new arrows on the back up bow this afternoon so I'll let you know.  Oh, and I bought and installed that cable guard you recommended to keep the new "threads" looking and performing like a champ.

[scoutdog346]

Are the blade to fletch alignments the same orientation?

I dont get how "blade to fletch" can do anything?  I understand y it maks sence.  Wind/air moving over the blades and fletchings and stuff but i don't think it really works like that. Its not like the exact air molecules and resistance air goes over the broadhead and that same air is going to pass by the fletching  It seems a bit like what i call " cartoon physics"  but it must be true because everyone talkes about it.

[Band]

How is the backup bow shooting?  Did it tune up ok with the new threads and arrows?

Im going to try the new arrows on the back up bow this afternoon so I'll let you know.  Oh, and I bought and installed that cable guard you recommended to keep the new "threads" looking and performing like a champ.

Wow, having lots of adventures with many hours of shooting and bow adjustments over the past several days.  I was doing both bows at the same time but I put down the backup so I can get my primary bow tuned first.  Major problems I have tackled are getting the drop away rest timed after I found I was getting a little vane contact and changing my draw hand position based on the fact at I've lost a fair amount of weight and my "less chubby" face had thrown off my accuracy.

No matter what I do my broadhead arrows hit left of the field points but I finally found a rest adjustment that gives me excellent arrow flight and is only off 2" at 40 yards.  Just as I decided to call it good and simply adjust my sight to match the broadheads before the season starts I shot another batch of arrows and had another incidence of vane contact that bent the rest arm!

I'm going to see about getting a replacement rest and pick up the backup bow starting tomorrow to see about getting it tuned.  The new arrows are definitely flying better than the old but there is still an issue I have yet to figure out.  I'm hoping to have an easier time with the other bow.

[scoutdog346]

I would think u woukd clear the rest no matter where ur fletching is.  If u look.at a bow shot in super slowmotion then u will c y it should. (fall away rest)  Idk 4 sure though... mine is that way.

[Band]

I'm going to see about getting a replacement rest...

Kudos to Trophy Ridge.  All it took was a phone call and short explanation of what happened to their customer service department and they have a new rest on the way.  No charge.