Short starters

[MountainWalk]

Recently I was at a hook and bullet store looking for ML supplies and noticed a lack of starters. I've always used one. Do folks not carry them much anymore?
 
Do in lines and the bullets they shoot preclude them? I've never loaded with a saboted bullet.  Thanks.

[Sabotloader]

Recently I was at a hook and bullet store looking for ML supplies and noticed a lack of starters. I've always used one. Do folks not carry them much anymore?
 
Do in lines and the bullets they shoot preclude them? I've never loaded with a saboted bullet.  Thanks.

I am just going to answer from my perspective... I have short starters but about the only time I use one is for loading a PRB, everything else just the ram rod and a good loading/cleaning jag is all that I need.  I use Bull Shop lead conicals and Dan can size them to fit your bore - so I am able to start them through the crown with palm pressure - then a the gun rod - works well.