Baiting on the chopping block

[YJ Guide Service]

I guess I don't understand the amount issue. What's that got to do with anything? So you should only be able to call ducks and geese so many times before shooting them or you can only rattle three times every hour. Doesn't make sense really does it. If you can afford to dump a truckload of food then so what and more power to you, I cant but im not against it either. Its like saying your a loud to call coyotes but I cant afford an electric call so I want to have them band for that reason, doesn't make sense again does it. Stay the course fellow hunters and stay united...

[bhawley76]

This is just one more law to make a honest guy an outlaw, If you don't like baiting then don't. how Hard is that? Just one more regulation we don't need. I have never heard of a bow hunter that has said lets get rid of scopes or ban long range guns. What's next you can only have 6 decoys while duck hunting, The list could go on and on.

[Special T]

I've never seen a baiting site with "truckloads" of bait being dumped. Maybe a box of apples or a couple of salt blocks. Is this a common occurrence?

Not common at all however it appears that this one or 2 instances is what the anti hunters have seized onto.

[Rainier10]

I've never seen a baiting site with "truckloads" of bait being dumped. Maybe a box of apples or a couple of salt blocks. Is this a common occurrence?

Not common at all however it appears that this one or 2 instances is what the anti hunters have seized onto.

And not just anti's, there are quite a few hunter's on board with banning it statewide because of these limited instances.

In my letter to the commission I asked them to look at the big picture, I am sure there is a way to deal with these isolated issues versus limiting everyone.

[Blacktail Sniper]

I guess I don't understand the amount issue. What's that got to do with anything? So you should only be able to call ducks and geese so many times before shooting them or you can only rattle three times every hour. Doesn't make sense really does it. If you can afford to dump a truckload of food then so what and more power to you, I cant but im not against it either. Its like saying your a loud to call coyotes but I cant afford an electric call so I want to have them band for that reason, doesn't make sense again does it. Stay the course fellow hunters and stay united...

You can call once or a hundred times in an hour, rattle for 15 seconds or 45 minutes straight. When you are done, there isn't a huge pile of rotting, smelly, decaying fruit left behind.

Now, if you are dumping a truckload, but going back in and cleaning up and hauling it away, that may be different.

[bhawley76]

I guess I don't understand the amount issue. What's that got to do with anything? So you should only be able to call ducks and geese so many times before shooting them or you can only rattle three times every hour. Doesn't make sense really does it. If you can afford to dump a truckload of food then so what and more power to you, I cant but im not against it either. Its like saying your a loud to call coyotes but I cant afford an electric call so I want to have them band for that reason, doesn't make sense again does it. Stay the course fellow hunters and stay united...

You can call once or a hundred times in an hour, rattle for 15 seconds or 45 minutes straight. When you are done, there isn't a huge pile of rotting, smelly, decaying fruit left behind.

Now, if you are dumping a truckload, but going back in and cleaning up and hauling it away, that may be different.

Just playing the devils advocate, and i'm not trying to be a jerk but if its your property should it matter? 

[Bob33]

I've never seen a baiting site with "truckloads" of bait being dumped. Maybe a box of apples or a couple of salt blocks. Is this a common occurrence?

There are unconfirmed stories of a few outfitters using bait in voluminous amounts to lure deer onto private property for the sake of paying clients. Lots of bait and limited hunting pressure can create a sanctuary for the animals. Some perceive this as an unfair disadvantage for public land hunters.

[Blacktail Sniper]

I guess I don't understand the amount issue. What's that got to do with anything? So you should only be able to call ducks and geese so many times before shooting them or you can only rattle three times every hour. Doesn't make sense really does it. If you can afford to dump a truckload of food then so what and more power to you, I cant but im not against it either. Its like saying your a loud to call coyotes but I cant afford an electric call so I want to have them band for that reason, doesn't make sense again does it. Stay the course fellow hunters and stay united...

You can call once or a hundred times in an hour, rattle for 15 seconds or 45 minutes straight. When you are done, there isn't a huge pile of rotting, smelly, decaying fruit left behind.

Now, if you are dumping a truckload, but going back in and cleaning up and hauling it away, that may be different.

Just playing the devils advocate, and i'm not trying to be a jerk but if its your property should it matter? 

What if you live downwind of that truck load of rotting & decaying fruit and do not appreciate the smell?

The bottom line is, to some people, both hunters and anti-hunters, it does, regardless of where it occurs and that is the problem that needs addressed and a reasonable solution found.

One example that is often debated is road hunters vs boot hunters.

Both are legal, but yet some just can't stand the thought of a road hunter, don't consider it hunting by their personal definition, and see no reason for it.

How is that been addressed?

As a solution to try and find a mid-point for the different user groups, there are areas that are restricted to no vehicle traffic.  Now doesn't that seem like a more logical approach?

If not, it will likely be eliminated on all scales, and the end result is another method taken away, never to come back, and then on to the next issue to chip away at hunting in general.

[jasnt]

I wonder how many bear show up to those giant piles of apples?  You would think that that alone would be grounds to stop them from doing it. I'm curious what guide service is doing this truck load of apples and what they have to say about it. Do they understand what they maybe end up taking from all of use?  Why not use alfalfa?  During that later seasons when bait can be most productive deer will take alfalfa just as readily as apples and would get more benefit out of it  it wouldn't get so smelly and gross and much less likely to attract bears. 

[westsidehntr]

I guess I don't understand the amount issue. What's that got to do with anything? So you should only be able to call ducks and geese so many times before shooting them or you can only rattle three times every hour. Doesn't make sense really does it. If you can afford to dump a truckload of food then so what and more power to you, I cant but im not against it either. Its like saying your a loud to call coyotes but I cant afford an electric call so I want to have them band for that reason, doesn't make sense again does it. Stay the course fellow hunters and stay united...

You can call once or a hundred times in an hour, rattle for 15 seconds or 45 minutes straight. When you are done, there isn't a huge pile of rotting, smelly, decaying fruit left behind.

Now, if you are dumping a truckload, but going back in and cleaning up and hauling it away, that may be different.

Just playing the devils advocate, and i'm not trying to be a jerk but if its your property should it matter? 

What if you live downwind of that truck load of rotting & decaying fruit and do not appreciate the smell?

The bottom line is, to some people, both hunters and anti-hunters, it does, regardless of where it occurs and that is the problem that needs addressed and a reasonable solution found.

One example that is often debated is road hunters vs boot hunters.

Both are legal, but yet some just can't stand the thought of a road hunter, don't consider it hunting by their personal definition, and see no reason for it.

How is that been addressed?

As a solution to try and find a mid-point for the different user groups, there are areas that are restricted to no vehicle traffic.  Now doesn't that seem like a more logical approach?

If not, it will likely be eliminated on all scales, and the end result is another method taken away, never to come back, and then on to the next issue to chip away at hunting in general.

YOU, sir, are the one chipping away at hunting! If we as hunters support ANY restrictions on ANY way of hunting, we are contributing to the anti's cause.

Are antis going to be satisfied with restrictions on baiting? NOPE!! There will always be some way of hunting they want to take away. Chipping away as you say. Unless we as hunters unify and say ALL ways of hunting should remain legal, we will continue to lose rights. This was the way of hound hunting, baiting bears, etc. Its the same as the gun control issue. Any restrictions are sliding further down that slippery slope. So YOU are part of the problem, not the solution, IMHO.

[Bob33]

The antis are getting smarter, and are going directly to voters more often for changes. As an example, on the issue of gun control attempts to implement federal restrictions have been largely unsuccessful due to a variety of reasons. The solution? Go to the voters via initiative. The result: I-594. You no longer have to deal with representatives worried about their constituents getting angry over a bill you support or don’t support. An initiative made bear baiting illegal.

I expect to see more and more initiatives on the issues of gun control and hunting.

[westsidehntr]

When it gets to a point where something needs done, then yes. It's at the point where I live. Have u not read my other posts?  How did we get bag limits or antler restrictions? People can be trusted. You guys are talking from your point of view where you live and hunt. I'm talking from mine.


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i understand the dumping of truck loads of bait is causing this fuss. So regulate the area not the whole state. Most people I see don't use a ton of bait at once. Regulate the amount or just the problem area.  It's always a few jerks ruining it for everyone.  Most baiters are not causing any troubles.  I don't have a problem with regulating the amount of bait till the other side is not willing to compromise and wants an out right ban on baiting like was stated.

 

If you don't exercise some basic common sense and reasonable compromise, then the give & take process becomes just a take, and we never win in that scenario!

BS!! If you give at all, its always a give, never a take. When was the last time we were "given" something by the antis?

[Curly]

The antis are getting smarter, and are going directly to voters more often for changes. As an example, on the issue of gun control attempts to implement federal restrictions have been largely unsuccessful due to a variety of reasons. The solution? Go to the voters via initiative. The result: I-594. You no longer have to deal with representatives worried about their constituents getting angry over a bill you support or don’t support. An initiative made bear baiting illegal.

I expect to see more and more initiatives on the issues of gun control and hunting.

 

I would expect some initiatives on the ballot in the future banning such things as bear hunting, coyote hunting, and cougar hunting.

As we witnessed with the Cecil the lion outrage earlier this year, "trophy" hunting is frowned upon by the general public.  They generally are accepting of hunters killing deer and elk for food but a large percentage of them don't think we eat bear or cougar.  And most of us don't eat coyotes.  Does anyone believe that a voter initiative for banning bear hunting, coyote hunting, and cougar hunting would not pass in this state?  The writing is on the wall.

[bhawley76]

It is a proven fact the second you start to give they will only want more.

[westsidehntr]

The antis are getting smarter, and are going directly to voters more often for changes. As an example, on the issue of gun control attempts to implement federal restrictions have been largely unsuccessful due to a variety of reasons. The solution? Go to the voters via initiative. The result: I-594. You no longer have to deal with representatives worried about their constituents getting angry over a bill you support or don’t support. An initiative made bear baiting illegal.

I expect to see more and more initiatives on the issues of gun control and hunting.

 

I would expect some initiatives on the ballot in the future banning such things as bear hunting, coyote hunting, and cougar hunting.

As we witnessed with the Cecil the lion outrage earlier this year, "trophy" hunting is frowned upon by the general public.  They generally are accepting of hunters killing deer and elk for food but a large percentage of them don't think we eat bear or cougar.  And most of us don't eat coyotes.  Does anyone believe that a voter initiative for banning bear hunting, coyote hunting, and cougar hunting would not pass in this state?  The writing is on the wall.

We need an initiative to ban initiatives.