Archery High Buck Hunt August 15th-August 30th

[teanawayslayer]

So what your saying is lets hunt in the middle of August when it's 99+ degrees in the back country. Man you could get a great trophy in velvet and leave your meat behind because it's spoiled. Makes sense to me.

Negative. I don't think a hunt in the middle of August when it's 90 degrees is a good idea either.
Specifically what I'm saying is permit only mule deer hunting in this state is a good idea.

so your saying taking opportunity away from the guy that wants to work his arse off for an animal? So would that encompass making all seasons draw only?

[jackelope]

All mule deer seasons maybe. Yes. Would you rather have a great experience every other year or a fair to mediocre experience every year? I don't want to further jack this thread. Maybe we should resurrect one of the past threads on this topic.

[WA1232]

All mule deer seasons maybe. Yes. Would you rather have a great experience every other year or a fair to mediocre experience every year? I don't want to further jack this thread. Maybe we should resurrect one of the past threads on this topic.

I have a great experience every year; don't mess with that by making it draw only. Silly direction to go.

[UBA]

If mule deer goes permit only, watch the whitetail and blacktail hunter numbers explode. Just like the blacktail guys hunting the mule deer opener than heading to the coast for the late buck

[Branden]

The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.

And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.

For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.

Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.

Regards, Branden

[3nails]

 In reference to the original post I can only speak with authority regarding the Baker Wilderness high hunt. This unit is already being pounded with 5 separate deer seasons running 2 1/2 months. There is too much easy access for this much pressure so I would not support another hunt added to it. I would actually like to see the high hunt and quality hunt eliminated from this unit (418). The general seasons are long enough.

[grundy53]

The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.

And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.

For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.

Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.

Regards, Branden

You can't just throw out other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.

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[teanawayslayer]

The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.

And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.

For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.

Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.

Regards, Branden

never had spoiled meat. Thank you. I have seen a lot of animals that have not been taken care of by other hunters. It's just my opinion.

[Branden]

The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.

And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.

For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.

Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.

Regards, Branden

You can't just throw out other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.

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Well first it was to much pressure, then it turned into the meat would spoil. Both imo are wrong. The meat spoiling is definitely wrong. Idaho, Utah, Nevada, and Oregon all have a season starting in August for deer.

If they think 20-30 archery tags per unit is to much pressure, why do they think it's fine for unlimited rifle tags? That makes zero sense.

That's why I said to dispute the original idea with something other then those two arguments.

Regards, Branden

[crabcreekhunter]

I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management.  I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are,  no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units.  Have to give some to win some.  The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.

now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. 

Man you hit the nail on the head, I love flinging arrows at 90 yards to 130 if the wind is under 10 mph put em in a 36" pie plate regularly.. All kidding aside I am a rifle hunter used to love the high hunt but the pressure has gotten too high, been successful every year I've gone but with 50 rigs at a trail head is getting crazy.. Still don't hardly see any competition but every Tom dick and Harry is whacking immature 3/4 points that are super vulnerable that time of year, over ten years of that pressure it hurts a herd badly.  Now I'd rather hunt general not because success is higher but the weather is just more like hunting and less pressure in the wilderness that time just have to hunt different routes.  Why make hunting easier with an earlier hunt when you can hunt the same animals in the seasons now but nobody wants to cause it's not shooting fish in a barrel like in August and the rut when they are most vulnerable.  Properly cared meat for will be fine in August if done right, same as bear meat in August. 

[boneaddict]

IMO I am not really for that archery guys already have two weeks starting sept 1st-15th to hunt most of the high hunt areas as well as everything else. I feel that is more than adequate time, a lot of these deer get pressured hard from sept 1st until December, even until the first of the year in some gmu's with the raffle, governors, incentive tags plus the Indians doing a lot of damage.  Enough is enough sometimes, the fall and early winter is a very crucial time for a mule deers existance. Do your scouting in August, learn an area and it'll pay off in early September, everyone wants more. Just my two cents,

I feel the same way.  Sorry.  They need a break.   

[WA1232]

A few are archery tags by special permit in August, will never be "shooting fish in a barrel." I am impressed by anyone that can get it done with archery equipment in the wilderness.

As for making the high hunt special permit only, I am strongly against that. If you look at the number of bucks taken in the wilderness units each year, its just not that many. Hunt harder or further from the trails if you have a problem with too many people, don't make all but a lucky few sit out every year.

[crabcreekhunter]

But why have another season archery guys already have first crack two weeks before rifle guys, all of rifle season up there and then five days after the high hunt rifle.  Not to mention all the surrounding units that are really just as wilderness just not inside geographical boundaries kind of asking for a lot don't ya think, we have it pretty good in this state be happy with hunting every year which is the fun part and the memories.  I don't have anything against archery, muzzleloaders, or rifles, we all do it for the same inherent reasons, just voicing my opinion.  Get greedy and you start loosing other opportunities just saying.

[WA1232]

This information is a few years old, but backs up my earlier post:

Alpine lakes wilderness is 392,000 acres, 2012 155 hunters and 28 bucks taken.
Glacier peak 566,000, 2012 15 bucks from 82 hunters.
Pasayten 531,000, 61 bucks from 315 hunters.

Just not that many bucks taken each year to limit the number of hunters.

[crabcreekhunter]

Not saying the numbers are wrong but 82 hunters in the GPW seems insanely low,  those hunter numbers can still pressure the deer pretty heavily with the low deer populations concentrated in a few drainages, I'll say excluding the pasayten it is a different wilderness than the GPW and ALW, I still just can't give myself a reason or justification to allow an earlier archery season since they already had first crack... Start archery season the 15th of September with rifle and I can see it justified to have a high archery in late August..  But as it sits I can't justify it.