Lose my points if I draw more than 1 Special Permit for the Same Species.

[curtdiesel]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/302/What+happens+if+I+draw+more+than+one+special+permit+for+the+same+species+in+the+same+license+year%3F

Wouldn't it be so much better if they drew in order of Quality, Bull, and Antlerless.  If you draw Quality you automatically fail to draw bull and antlerless and just get points.  If you fail quality and draw bull you automatically fail antlerless and just get points for it?  This way if you have 9 points in all 3 and end up drawing all three this year you don't waste your bull and antlerless points.  Of course they will say but you get to hunt all three until you tag out and what a great problem to have.  Well I imaging most people would rather just hunt their quality tag and the general season and have the opportunity to have 10 points to draw a bull or cow tag the next year.

Am I wrong here?  It seems like an easy fix and the only reason not to is the random opportunity to destroy unlucky peoples hard earned points.

[trophyhunt]

That's  one solution, I'd love to see it

[Bob33]

I think if it were an easy fix it would have been done.

[Maverick]

Biggest issue I see with our draw system is point creep. Almost wonder how it'd be if you drew a quality tag and then couldnt apply for 5 years. Havnt gone into dephth on how that would really affect the draw system but its a thought.

[fisheral87]

I did like having the option to hold out on my early bull tag knowing I had a cow tag for the general. If a guy is looking for a better age class and holds out too long it doesn't prevent him for eventually filling the freezer later on in the season.

In addition, it probably combats point creep to a certain extent, although my guess is the result is statistically insignificant.

Al

[BENCHLEG]

Maverick, I have always liked the idea that if you draw a tag you are out of that pool for at least 2 years,but you can still purchase points in said category. I also think that 75% of he tags go to the highest point holders and 25% in random draw.ts the only way to make this money grab of a system wdfw came up with work..I liked the old system way better when you had to chose bulls or cows. 

[CarbonHunter]

A similar idea was proposed a couple years ago and the WDFW was considering it but I believe it was rejected by the GMAC before it could be approved. The proposal would of allowed someone who drew more than one tag to return the tags they didn't want and get there points back. The returned tags would have been given to people who didn't draw a tag.

[BULLBLASTER]

At this point no changes will make it any better... Leave it be. The only thing Wdfw does to the draws is mess them up some more. 

[steeleywhopper]

 I think we should be able to buy tags for each permit we draw. If a guy draws Dayton Quality rifle and a Goose Prairie Bull he should be able to fill one and then buy a second tag to try and fill the other permit. We should not get penalized for drawing two special permits and only be able to fill one.  We played their game and payed their price, let us hunt.

[jeffitz]

Dang this this thread is making ‘‘WORRY‘‘ that im gonna draw Tucannon and Goose Prairie Lol , and blow out all my 16 pts! Such a funny problem to have,pretty sure i wont get either but whatever

[coachcw]

Makes my brain hurt ....just leave it alone and if you  don't like it hunt Idaho. Lol     just add more buck hunts.

[JoeE]

Happened to me last year. Drew quality elk and antlerless. Never stepped foot in the antlerless unit.

[X-Force]

I think we should be able to buy tags for each permit we draw. If a guy draws Dayton Quality rifle and a Goose Prairie Bull he should be able to fill one and then buy a second tag to try and fill the other permit. We should not get penalized for drawing two special permits and only be able to fill one.  We played their game and payed their price, let us hunt.

I totally agree with that.

[Maverick]

 

People spend years building points. If lucky enough to draw two permits we should be able to fill both.

[7mmfan]

Both my dad and Fisheral87 drew antleress and bull tags in the same season, leaving the antlerless tag unfilled and points gone. Its frustrating to me.

I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.

I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.

[BULLBLASTER]

I don't see the issue. It's easy enough to ghost point some years in some categories.
I think it should stay how it is in regards to this topic. 
If a high point holder cashes out multiple categories in a year it actually helps everyone else in the following years.

[7mmfan]

I don't see the issue. It's easy enough to ghost point some years in some categories.
I think it should stay how it is in regards to this topic. 
If a high point holder cashes out multiple categories in a year it actually helps everyone else in the following years.

I don't care about everyone else, just me!!!!!        I get what you're saying, but most of us would prefer to have every opportunity on the board to draw a tag. We don't all get to hunt multiple weeks a year so we have to make the best of the opportunities we have.

[trophyhunt]

 

Both my dad and Fisheral87 drew antleress and bull tags in the same season, leaving the antlerless tag unfilled and points gone. Its frustrating to me.

I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.

I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.

AND the state would collect for another round of application fees.  Seems like a win win to me, no more unused tags!  Simple

[Chukarhead]

Meh. 

I drew five permits last year, and only hunted two of them.  I bowed out of the Alkali bull hunt about halfway through the season after a lot of miles, tire rubber, and boot leather.  According to the harvest report, out of 15 tags, only one of them left on an animal.  I went up to the woods, and filled my antlerless permit.  Overall, a much, much higher quality hunt.  Sure, I would have liked to have spread my points out a bit, but in a lot of cases I'd rather take my permits while I can.  You never know when you'll be hit by a bus.  Besides, I like to eat elk, and when the success rates for both permits are less than 10%, I planned on hunting both.

[Bob33]

Both my dad and Fisheral87 drew antleress and bull tags in the same season, leaving the antlerless tag unfilled and points gone. Its frustrating to me.

I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.

I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.

Given the history of WDFW's software vendors and how they can bungle even the simplest tasks, you might be surprised.

There is also the fact (as demonstrated here) that quite a few hunters don't want the system changed. That means you either (a) tick off a bunch of people who don't want a change, or (b) implement a dual system where some hunters can get multiple permits, and others can only get one. Now back to my first sentence.

[birddogdad]

I think if it were an easy fix it would have been done.

I think it would be ez with alt selections, allow hunters to select "no thanks" if drawn and have the next in line selected (alt) get. sure processes would have to change and a hard timeline would be put in place...

again this would be ONLY for mult selects of same species..

[pd]

I think if it were an easy fix it would have been done.

I think it would be ez with alt selections, allow hunters to select "no thanks" if drawn and have the next in line selected (alt) get. sure processes would have to change and a hard timeline would be put in place...

again this would be ONLY for mult selects of same species..

Once again, I agree with you.   

[BULLBLASTER]

I could go along with this if they also took away the ability to hunt general season if you draw a permit. Basically like Idaho does. Say you draw a clockum cow tag. That's all you get to hunt is clockum cow season. This would make people think about what they apply for. And would make sure all permits are actually used if that is the goal.

[rtspring]

Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!

Here is a fact, enjoy what you have for one day it wil be gone... 


Washington= to many people not enough animals!  Dont like it hunt elsewhere. 

[Bob33]

Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!

I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise.

[Woodchuck]

Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!

I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise.

X infinity

[BULLBLASTER]

Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!

Here is a fact, enjoy what you have for one day it wil be gone... 


Washington= to many people not enough animals!  Dont like it hunt elsewhere.

True words of wisdom here guys!

[DOUBLELUNG]

Happened to me last year. Drew quality elk and antlerless. Never stepped foot in the antlerless unit.

I drew Rimrock bull and an antlerless permit the same year.  Never stepped foot in the antlerless unit.

[CarbonHunter]

Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!

I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise.

X infinity

By the time the state finished implementing a perfect idea that every hunter liked; they would have found a way to screw it up so bad that all of you would be ripping up  your notarized  documents.