Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle

[huntnphool]

If I had the gov tag, or raffle tag, I'd think I could hunt in said units, but hey, I'm just a big dumb lewis county boy, not neatly as savvy as the city slickers up north....thank God for the pierce and king county folks...

Do you read the regs?

I would assume most read the regs. Contrary to what some of you geniuses think they can be confusing. If they were as simple as some of you imply you would think the local game warden and regional comander would not have come to the conclusion it was legal after researching  it himself?

So, what you're saying is that a guy who spent probably $100K in total to shoot an elk made a mistake reading the regs. Before you said he had called because he knew the restrictions in that unit and received permission from Mr. Grant to shoot the elk anyway. Which is it? And, if he didn't know it was illegal, why would he have called Mr. Grant at all?

I am saying the call was made to find out the legality for weapons and the unit. A crystal clear answer was given on both notes.

 Seems the pertinent question would have been to ask if he could kill a branched antler bull in unit 334 with his tag.........but then that would have closed any loopholes right!

  second was what was legal with that tag.

This is still vague and leaving wiggle room.

 Are you stating that Mr Grant was asked directly if a branched antler bull could be killed with that tag in unit 334, yes or no?

 And he gave authorization to kill a branched antler bull in 334, yes or no?

Come on Kiti answer the simple questions.

[JimmyHoffa]

If I had the gov tag, or raffle tag, I'd think I could hunt in said units, but hey, I'm just a big dumb lewis county boy, not neatly as savvy as the city slickers up north....thank God for the pierce and king county folks...

Do you read the regs?

I would assume most read the regs. Contrary to what some of you geniuses think they can be confusing. If they were as simple as some of you imply you would think the local game warden and regional comander would not have come to the conclusion it was legal after researching  it himself?

So, what you're saying is that a guy who spent probably $100K in total to shoot an elk made a mistake reading the regs. Before you said he had called because he knew the restrictions in that unit and received permission from Mr. Grant to shoot the elk anyway. Which is it? And, if he didn't know it was illegal, why would he have called Mr. Grant at all?

I am saying the call was made to find out the legality for weapons and the unit. A crystal clear answer was given on both notes.

 Seems the pertinent question would have been to ask if he could kill a branched antler bull in unit 334 with his tag.........but then that would have closed any loopholes right!

  second was what was legal with that tag.

This is still vague and leaving wiggle room.

 Are you stating that Mr Grant was asked directly if a branched antler bull could be killed with that tag in unit 334, yes or no?

 And he gave authorization to kill a branched antler bull in 334, yes or no?

Come on Kiti answer the simple questions. :chuckle:p

Sounds like what Trey Gowdy is going through.....

[Rainier10]

from the Yakima herald. and then blasted on the first half of this thread. i guess it doesnt say "snuck" your right. no implied meaning here, transporting game to another location to proccess it isnt standard practice for every hunter ever...

"After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed"

That is exactly what happened, pretty much to the letter.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Are you implying that's not what happened?
For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them doing this. The farmer probably didn't want a gutpile in the middle of his field.

before the article even came out there were accusations that the bull was shot in 334 and moved to 328.  At that time I said it could have been done at the farmers request, many people move the animal to remove the entrails somewhere else.

[Dan-o]

Ok, after all of this I REALLY want to know if JDHASTY has ever been cited for any type of game violation.

Well JDHASTY?

[lord grizzly]

ok, now in full context for those of you who havnt read it in a while. yeah, no implications here...


But according to enforcement officials, Reichert shot the elk in a field near the intersection of Gilbert and Grindrod roads. That location is in the Ellensburg game management unit (GMU 334), roughly 11/4 miles south of the irrigation canal separating that unit from the Naneum 328 unit.


Hunting of branch-antler elk is legal in the 328, while the 334 is open only for spike-only or antlerless elk — even for holders of special any-bull permits, say state Fish and Wildlife officials.


After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed

[jackelope]

I can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could  possibly be legitimized with a phone call.

And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.

What other sites is this being discussed on. I wanna see other train wrecks

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Several pages here:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11165637/Re:_Charges_Filed!!!__-_2015_W


In the comments, if you haven't seen this:
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/hunter-facing-charges-after-death-of-beloved-elk-named-bullwinkle/article_844ec8ac-1a65-11e6-8639-53981ae0fc80.html

A bit here; nothing new:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=1243914

Letter to the editor, and comments:
http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/members/letter-as-a-hunter-disgusted-with-killing-of-bullwinkle/article_af72f16e-1e09-11e6-af5a-134c6e038aed.html

Hard to imagine a 'win', regardless of what the court decides.

The 24hourcampfire thread is hilarious! Started by none other than a JDHasty and he made most of the posts in the 5 page tread. Most of the rest of the posts were people bashing JDHasty. Funny thing about the ifish thread, yep JDHasty is there as well.

http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4099641#Post4099641

Here is yet another one all the way across the country in Pennsylvania,  anyone want to make any bets on who started that one? Yet again it was JDHasty........

So after Cboom (who impresses me as none other than kiticaashunter alter ego) stalked me all over this site for the better part of a month....  After I had left the prior thread alone for north of a couple weeks....  After I had been called out for a second time.... you better believe I responded.

Hope you enjoyed it, you have asked for every bit of what I have posted. 

And as for the Pennsylvania sites, I bought a scope form a woodchuck hunter and he invited me to join a site he and other chuck hunters post on.  They pointed me toward the fact that Todd Reichert of Salkum WA has been the primary subject of a heck of a lot of controversy in their State. They invited me over to the other sites they post on.   I bet TR sure wishes you had let sleeping dogs lie.

Sorry to disappoint you but no alter egos here. You sure seem to put yourself out there as a guy that doesn't like to see the rules broken. I have an honest question,  have you ever been sited for breaking any game laws?

Come on jd answer the simple question

from the Yakima herald. and then blasted on the first half of this thread. i guess it doesnt say "snuck" your right. no implied meaning here, transporting game to another location to proccess it isnt standard practice for every hunter ever...

"After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed"

That is exactly what happened, pretty much to the letter.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Are you implying that's not what happened?
For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them doing this. The farmer probably didn't want a gutpile in the middle of his field.

you really dont want to see what the implied meaning is of this statement in he paper is huh? your not really that naive are you? like i said slander is slander.

Well if you think that's slander, I'm not sure what to tell you. Implied or not, the bull was picked up whole, ungutted, and taken to another person's home/shop for processing. That has been established. I'm not sure how putting into type exactly what happened is slanderous.
Maybe it's a conspiracy.

i guess that answers the second quistion in my sentance there. fair enough

Something funny? Do you have more details on JDHastys poaching?

I was chuckling regarding the comments from lord grizzly about the slander in the news article(or lack thereof).

[Gringo31]

I don't know that JD's record has anything to do with it.  If I'm busted for speeding, I want the law applied to everyone. 

The only game ticket I've ever got was when I was 15 I got a ticked for hunting ducks on Jan 2nd and hadn't purchased the next years license.  Does that make it wrong for me to take a stand against law breaking and poaching?   

[jackelope]

ok, now in full context for those of you who havnt read it in a while. yeah, no implications here...


But according to enforcement officials, Reichert shot the elk in a field near the intersection of Gilbert and Grindrod roads. That location is in the Ellensburg game management unit (GMU 334), roughly 11/4 miles south of the irrigation canal separating that unit from the Naneum 328 unit.


Hunting of branch-antler elk is legal in the 328, while the 334 is open only for spike-only or antlerless elk — even for holders of special any-bull permits, say state Fish and Wildlife officials.


After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed

Please specify your idea of slander from this segment of the news article. Please be specific.

[lord grizzly]

I can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could  possibly be legitimized with a phone call.

And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.

What other sites is this being discussed on. I wanna see other train wrecks

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Several pages here:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11165637/Re:_Charges_Filed!!!__-_2015_W


In the comments, if you haven't seen this:
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/hunter-facing-charges-after-death-of-beloved-elk-named-bullwinkle/article_844ec8ac-1a65-11e6-8639-53981ae0fc80.html

A bit here; nothing new:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=1243914

Letter to the editor, and comments:
http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/members/letter-as-a-hunter-disgusted-with-killing-of-bullwinkle/article_af72f16e-1e09-11e6-af5a-134c6e038aed.html

Hard to imagine a 'win', regardless of what the court decides.

The 24hourcampfire thread is hilarious! Started by none other than a JDHasty and he made most of the posts in the 5 page tread. Most of the rest of the posts were people bashing JDHasty. Funny thing about the ifish thread, yep JDHasty is there as well.

http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4099641#Post4099641

Here is yet another one all the way across the country in Pennsylvania,  anyone want to make any bets on who started that one? Yet again it was JDHasty........

So after Cboom (who impresses me as none other than kiticaashunter alter ego) stalked me all over this site for the better part of a month....  After I had left the prior thread alone for north of a couple weeks....  After I had been called out for a second time.... you better believe I responded.

Hope you enjoyed it, you have asked for every bit of what I have posted. 

And as for the Pennsylvania sites, I bought a scope form a woodchuck hunter and he invited me to join a site he and other chuck hunters post on.  They pointed me toward the fact that Todd Reichert of Salkum WA has been the primary subject of a heck of a lot of controversy in their State. They invited me over to the other sites they post on.   I bet TR sure wishes you had let sleeping dogs lie.

Sorry to disappoint you but no alter egos here. You sure seem to put yourself out there as a guy that doesn't like to see the rules broken. I have an honest question,  have you ever been sited for breaking any game laws?

Come on jd answer the simple question

from the Yakima herald. and then blasted on the first half of this thread. i guess it doesnt say "snuck" your right. no implied meaning here, transporting game to another location to proccess it isnt standard practice for every hunter ever...

"After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed"

That is exactly what happened, pretty much to the letter.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Are you implying that's not what happened?
For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them doing this. The farmer probably didn't want a gutpile in the middle of his field.

you really dont want to see what the implied meaning is of this statement in he paper is huh? your not really that naive are you? like i said slander is slander.

Well if you think that's slander, I'm not sure what to tell you. Implied or not, the bull was picked up whole, ungutted, and taken to another person's home/shop for processing. That has been established. I'm not sure how putting into type exactly what happened is slanderous.
Maybe it's a conspiracy.

i guess that answers the second quistion in my sentance there. fair enough

Something funny? Do you have more details on JDHastys poaching?

I was chuckling regarding the comments from lord grizzly about the slander in the news article(or lack thereof).

still think that huh?

[jackelope]

I don't know that JD's record has anything to do with it.  If I'm busted for speeding, I want the law applied to everyone. 

The only game ticket I've ever got was when I was 15 I got a ticked for hunting ducks on Jan 2nd and hadn't purchased the next years license.  Does that make it wrong for me to take a stand against law breaking and poaching?   

Agreed. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. I don't know anything about Hasty's past. What's it got to do with anything?
Let's look at folks who got a DUI in the past. Now they're staunch advocates against drinking and driving. They go to schools and give speeches to kids denouncing drinking and getting behind the wheel. Is that a bad thing?

[jackelope]

I can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could  possibly be legitimized with a phone call.

And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.

What other sites is this being discussed on. I wanna see other train wrecks

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

Several pages here:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11165637/Re:_Charges_Filed!!!__-_2015_W


In the comments, if you haven't seen this:
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/hunter-facing-charges-after-death-of-beloved-elk-named-bullwinkle/article_844ec8ac-1a65-11e6-8639-53981ae0fc80.html

A bit here; nothing new:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=1243914

Letter to the editor, and comments:
http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/members/letter-as-a-hunter-disgusted-with-killing-of-bullwinkle/article_af72f16e-1e09-11e6-af5a-134c6e038aed.html

Hard to imagine a 'win', regardless of what the court decides.

The 24hourcampfire thread is hilarious! Started by none other than a JDHasty and he made most of the posts in the 5 page tread. Most of the rest of the posts were people bashing JDHasty. Funny thing about the ifish thread, yep JDHasty is there as well.

http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4099641#Post4099641

Here is yet another one all the way across the country in Pennsylvania,  anyone want to make any bets on who started that one? Yet again it was JDHasty........

So after Cboom (who impresses me as none other than kiticaashunter alter ego) stalked me all over this site for the better part of a month....  After I had left the prior thread alone for north of a couple weeks....  After I had been called out for a second time.... you better believe I responded.

Hope you enjoyed it, you have asked for every bit of what I have posted. 

And as for the Pennsylvania sites, I bought a scope form a woodchuck hunter and he invited me to join a site he and other chuck hunters post on.  They pointed me toward the fact that Todd Reichert of Salkum WA has been the primary subject of a heck of a lot of controversy in their State. They invited me over to the other sites they post on.   I bet TR sure wishes you had let sleeping dogs lie.

Sorry to disappoint you but no alter egos here. You sure seem to put yourself out there as a guy that doesn't like to see the rules broken. I have an honest question,  have you ever been sited for breaking any game laws?

Come on jd answer the simple question

from the Yakima herald. and then blasted on the first half of this thread. i guess it doesnt say "snuck" your right. no implied meaning here, transporting game to another location to proccess it isnt standard practice for every hunter ever...

"After shooting the elk, Reichert and a small group of Ellensburg residents who had helped him locate the bull loaded it into a truck. According to eyewitnesses, the elk was then driven to a private field in the 328 unit and field-dressed"

That is exactly what happened, pretty much to the letter.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Are you implying that's not what happened?
For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them doing this. The farmer probably didn't want a gutpile in the middle of his field.

you really dont want to see what the implied meaning is of this statement in he paper is huh? your not really that naive are you? like i said slander is slander.

Well if you think that's slander, I'm not sure what to tell you. Implied or not, the bull was picked up whole, ungutted, and taken to another person's home/shop for processing. That has been established. I'm not sure how putting into type exactly what happened is slanderous.
Maybe it's a conspiracy.

i guess that answers the second quistion in my sentance there. fair enough

Something funny? Do you have more details on JDHastys poaching?

I was chuckling regarding the comments from lord grizzly about the slander in the news article(or lack thereof).

still think that huh?

Yes.

[lord grizzly]

heres a sample of one of the comments from the herald site, and exactly what they were going for when they wrote the artical. you guys really have that much faith in the mediea to think they dont have alterier motives?



Like · Reply · 4 · May 17, 2016 5:32am
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Paul McBride · Attorney at Kring & Chung, Sacramento

I dsupport this guy's right to hunt, especially if he pays $50,000 for the privilege. That being said, the fact that they moved the animal from a no-kill zone to a kill zone before dressing it proves they knew they were in the wrong. This reminds me of the dentist who killed the lion in Africa. Sorry, he needs to lose his hunting privileges for awhile, and pay a fine.

Like · Reply · 2 · May 16, 2016 3:44pm

[Rainier10]

I don't know that JD's record has anything to do with it.  If I'm busted for speeding, I want the law applied to everyone. 

The only game ticket I've ever got was when I was 15 I got a ticked for hunting ducks on Jan 2nd and hadn't purchased the next years license.  Does that make it wrong for me to take a stand against law breaking and poaching?

It sounds like maybe yes, if you have broken the law you can't speak out against anyone else breaking the law.

I was going to ask how someone else's  errors justitfies taking this bull.  If someone gets a ticket for not having a discover pass does that then mean they can't comment here on this thread?  Does that take away some sort of credibility?  I think everyone makes mistakes and it is what you do after that that counts.

What frustrates me about this whole incident is with the previous issue in the blues I think I would make sure I was so far away from anything controversial as far as hunting went moving forward.  Lesson learned, moving on, I would make sure that didn't happen again.  With all of his money and with the great latitude that raffle tag had he didn't need to be putting himself in this situation.

He had to know this would ruffle somebodies feathers, just shoot a different bull.

[pianoman9701]

So then, no answer for which unit was used on the harvest report?

[jackelope]

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