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Quote from: jetjockey on June 10, 2016, 06:45:22 AMQuote from: Happy Gilmore on June 09, 2016, 10:48:22 PMFor anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.The OP's post wasn't about trying to find training grounds. The OP's post is about field trial grounds. I think it's great you guys have a grass root group trying to improve training opportunities in WA state. What WA doesn't have is the big money and big names really backing the cause. Let me give you an example. Ted Turner has shooting dogs that he trials (bet you didn't know that). Several years ago he bought the 9000 acre Naomi plantation in Georgia strictly for wild bird hunting and wild bird trials. He also has a 42000 acre ranch in Kansas where they are doing the same thing. I'm sure some day, when he's gone, that land will likely be turned over to the states, or set up in a trust for groups to run to manage for field trials and wild birds. In WAS, we simply don't have that kind of support. Why? Because we don't have the history and the culture of bird dogs that they have in other parts of the country. Sorry that makes you butt hurt, but that is the truth, and that's why not only does WA not have good trial grounds, you guys are struggling to even get good training grounds. Its ashame too, because WA has the land and the birds to support a truely world class field trial grounds. If you really want to help, continue doing what your doing, and then get as many kids as you can into bird dogs and upland hunting. If you truely want support for your cause, that's where the support will come from.I assume "field trials" is being used in the pointer field trials sense only?Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Quote from: Happy Gilmore on June 09, 2016, 10:48:22 PMFor anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.The OP's post wasn't about trying to find training grounds. The OP's post is about field trial grounds. I think it's great you guys have a grass root group trying to improve training opportunities in WA state. What WA doesn't have is the big money and big names really backing the cause. Let me give you an example. Ted Turner has shooting dogs that he trials (bet you didn't know that). Several years ago he bought the 9000 acre Naomi plantation in Georgia strictly for wild bird hunting and wild bird trials. He also has a 42000 acre ranch in Kansas where they are doing the same thing. I'm sure some day, when he's gone, that land will likely be turned over to the states, or set up in a trust for groups to run to manage for field trials and wild birds. In WAS, we simply don't have that kind of support. Why? Because we don't have the history and the culture of bird dogs that they have in other parts of the country. Sorry that makes you butt hurt, but that is the truth, and that's why not only does WA not have good trial grounds, you guys are struggling to even get good training grounds. Its ashame too, because WA has the land and the birds to support a truely world class field trial grounds. If you really want to help, continue doing what your doing, and then get as many kids as you can into bird dogs and upland hunting. If you truely want support for your cause, that's where the support will come from.
For anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.
you so funny when you get all worked up....... it's almost a pleasure to keep replying because you just can't stop yourself from repeating the same thing you said about 10 times in this thread already..
speaking of google.. you ever used it? You should look on it. There are hundreds if not thousands of unbroken 20,000 acre+ areas that you could use if you know people. My buddy's ranch in Lamont has about 4-5 different ponds, miles upon miles of wheat, CRP and some irrigated crop. Same with another friends place in Marlin. I guess if you can't find a way to train a dog on those grounds maybe you too should just use a rubber chicken scent and a plywood dog to get your point..
Quote from: jetjockey on June 09, 2016, 04:24:20 AMHappy. Spout off at the mouth all you want, what I said is 100% true. Believe it or not, I lived in Ellensburg too and also met many of the farmers there. What you don't seem to understand is that in most of the states throughout the Midwest and Southeast, there are plenty of PUBLIC trial grounds supported by the states. We simply don't have that in WA, nore in Oregon or many of the other Western states. Why? Because there's not enough people who will push for it and fight for it. The field trial culture that exists in other state simply doesn't exist in WA. The culture that does exist places almost ZERO importance on wild bird trials. That is a fact! Until you meet a hard core pointer guy from the South, or a cover dog guy from the upper Midwest, you will never understand......What you don't seem to understand is there are many places in the South and Miswest that are state lands and the run some amazing wild bird trials on those lands. DiLane Plantation in GA is not ultra exclusive. It's public land that anyone can hunt and is managed specifically for wild quail, hunting, and trials. Unless the state of WA can get voters to fork over tens of millions of dollars of their tax money so the state an buy 6000-8000 acres in WA's prime quail and pheasant country, and then fork over the 100,000's of thousands of dollars every year to maintain it, WA will never have that. Sorry you don't like the truth, but that is the truth. It will never happen in WA state.Never gonna happen, too busy here worrying about bicycle lanes....
Happy. Spout off at the mouth all you want, what I said is 100% true. Believe it or not, I lived in Ellensburg too and also met many of the farmers there. What you don't seem to understand is that in most of the states throughout the Midwest and Southeast, there are plenty of PUBLIC trial grounds supported by the states. We simply don't have that in WA, nore in Oregon or many of the other Western states. Why? Because there's not enough people who will push for it and fight for it. The field trial culture that exists in other state simply doesn't exist in WA. The culture that does exist places almost ZERO importance on wild bird trials. That is a fact! Until you meet a hard core pointer guy from the South, or a cover dog guy from the upper Midwest, you will never understand......What you don't seem to understand is there are many places in the South and Miswest that are state lands and the run some amazing wild bird trials on those lands. DiLane Plantation in GA is not ultra exclusive. It's public land that anyone can hunt and is managed specifically for wild quail, hunting, and trials. Unless the state of WA can get voters to fork over tens of millions of dollars of their tax money so the state an buy 6000-8000 acres in WA's prime quail and pheasant country, and then fork over the 100,000's of thousands of dollars every year to maintain it, WA will never have that. Sorry you don't like the truth, but that is the truth. It will never happen in WA state.
My point with the original post is that state agencies here don't seem to value bird dog owners and events as much as others in the country do. If anything they seem to be clamping down on it these days.Someone mentioned Scatter Creek, that's a great example since you can no longer ride a horse there as I understand it. That effectively pushes a lot of pointing dog trials out. Then there is the matter of how they have been screwing around with training grounds. Happy has been fighting that fight for a while now.It's fine and well to use private grounds, but when the state (our DNR and WDFW) doesn't seem to take a whole lot of pride in what it does for the bird dog community, and in some cases seems to view it as a pain, it would seem to be only a matter of time before sweeping restrictions that affect everything from public property to private will be supported by them. I hope I'm just being overly paranoid there but given political trends...
