Ultimate Home Defense Rifle Opinions

[CAMPMEAT]

Interesting thoughts on the low key rifle and after the shot repercussions. I would never shoot at any threat or person unless my life or a family members life was truly at risk, meaning there would have to be multiple shots fired in a long range incident. So I would think there would be ample proof of the need for lethal action, and at that point I would hope it wouldn't matter what the rifle looked like....But I get it, some people only know what they see on tv!

I like the setup shown, and think it would be functional?

Thanks,
H&F

This is normal on this forum, for the goodie two shoes to pick apart any question a person asks. Get used to it, they probably voted for HITLERY too.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to upset anyone with my scary black rifle. Who knows what firearms I have inside my home?

Yeah, you have to register ALL gun purchases now, in the commie state of Washington. So, yes, they HITLERY lovers will know what you have in your house. I feel sorry for you Washington residents.. You gotta get rid of the people who do this to you guys.

[superdown]

There's a difference between home defense and ranch rifle, if you want a "Ultimate Home Defense Rifle" give up the idea of shooting coyotes at 300 yards.

Totally agree.

I also agree that a 12 gauge is the best home defense firearm.

This is the exact same shotgun i have at the ready but i also installed a six round side saddle so it's got a total of twelve rounds of  3" 00 buck i keep the chamber empty for two reasons first being safety and second being the Racking sound i hope will make an impression.I also have a 300blk AR with a 1-4X Leupold next to it for longer range and if my wife or someone else can be armed also.

gotta disagree with the thought of keeping the chamber empty--50/50 on the "safety" aspect--i can somewhat understand if you have people in the house that you wouldn't feel comfortable with around a loaded weapon with the safety on but racking a round for the sake of an "impression" will just give your location away to the bad guy...if the situation has escalated to that point the only thing i want the bad guy hearing is the harps playing at the pearly gates and them getting on the elevator that only stops at the bottom floor

I would take cover before i made any noise and we all know that the racking of a shotgun is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world and i would want to avoid shooting another human being at all costs short of mine or my family's life.Another thing the sound of the shotgun will do is get the intruder to turn towards you so you don't shoot them in the back.To each his own 

so let me get this straight...you have an intruder in your home...you have identified him/her as a threat to your life or your family's life ...that intruder is walking away from you down a hallway toward your children's bedroom-not leaving your premisis...you purposely rack an empty shotgun so they can turn around so you don't shoot them in the back ?  that's crazy...if it were me and i felt a threat to my life or my family's life i would blast that person with no regard for the direction that they are facing.  what would you do if you hear a commotion in your house and walked in to your childs room and a bad guy is facing away from you threatening your child with a knife ?  would you wait until that person turned around to shoot them in the chest ? imho there is no difference in shooting someone in the back or front if they are IN MY HOUSE AND POSING A THREAT TO ME OR MY FAMILY...in that instance i would much rather be judged by 12 than have myself or my children be carried by 6

No offence but i am not interested in debating this with you. All of the what if's in the world don't amount to a hill of beans again to each his own

[jasnt]

Interesting thoughts on the low key rifle and after the shot repercussions. I would never shoot at any threat or person unless my life or a family members life was truly at risk, meaning there would have to be multiple shots fired in a long range incident. So I would think there would be ample proof of the need for lethal action, and at that point I would hope it wouldn't matter what the rifle looked like....But I get it, some people only know what they see on tv!

I like the setup shown, and think it would be functional?

Thanks,
H&F

This is normal on this forum, for the goodie two shoes to pick apart any question a person asks. Get used to it, they probably voted for HITLERY too.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to upset anyone with my scary black rifle. Who knows what firearms I have inside my home?

Yeah, you have to register ALL gun purchases now, in the commie state of Washington. So, yes, they HITLERY lovers will know what you have in your house. I feel sorry for you Washington residents.. You gotta get rid of the people who do this to you guys.

this one dosent get registered.
http://ar15mold.com/freedom-15-5-kit/

To the OP
Do you save furs when you hunt coyotes?  If so I'd go with 556. I love my 16"
For HD you prob won't want a scope on it unless you plan on mounting a laser sight or the iron sights that you tilt to use.
If you go with an AR just understand that after you build one you end up getting this sickness that can only be fixed by building more so you'll probably end up building separate rifles for hunting and HD

[300rum]

Poor guy, asks a question about rifles, get's all kinds of people who tell him about shotgun's.   

16" is just fine, even the smaller people in the house can easily manipulate a 16" rifle with a collapsible stock.

Look up these guys http://leatherheadbullets.com/ and call Dave.  Tell him you want a 16" with a 15" handguard, Mid length gas with an adjustable gas block.  He will set you up with one of these https://www.odinworks.com/ at a great price.

The extra rail space is nice for putting on a light, which you will want.  A carbine length handguard doesn't give you enough room.

These rifles are very accurate and when the gas block is adjusted correctly, it is very soft shooting. 

Buy and Anderson Lower for under $50 then go to Rainier Arms in Auburn and try out their various triggers until you find the one you like, buy that one. 

The Best optic for Home defense is a red dot that stays on all of the time.  The Aimpoint pro fits the bill, it stays on for something like three years (change the battery annually, set the date on your phone).  Don't go too cheap on the optic, so many nice rifles out there with cheap optics, don't do it!  The Aimpoint won't be the best for coyote work (it will work) but it depends on what you want more.

Buy at least 10 30-Round pmags, load them to 28, put the dust covers on them and then leave them forever.  Buy two Lancer mags (they have metal feed lips)load them to 28 and use them if you ever need to.

Buy a box of Winchester Ranger 64gr Powerpoint's for the rifle and run that through just to make sure it is accurate enough (it will be for house stuff).  Then, buy two cases of it.   

         

Thanks everyone for your input, I was of course looking for information specific to building a rifle and any tips and tricks associated with buying parts and thoughts on different rifle platforms. I am more than confident in my ability to protect my family....

Just trying to figure out what parts to order myself (or tell my wife to order for me) for Christmas, I heard Santa needs a few weeks notice to mill uppers and lowers;)

Regards,
H&F

[jay.sharkbait]

Now that we are back on subject.

I'm against an adjustable gas block on this kind of rifle and here is why.

People adjust them.... they are often adjusted to reduce felt recoil. Usually to to point where the rifle is short stroking. Rifles in this condition will lock back on the BHO but any change in ambient air temperature, carbon buildup or even a magazine can cause malfunctions. This is ok when blastimg beer bottles and propane cylinders in the woods, but for fighting it isn't.

I would rather use a heavy buffer and be a little overgassed.

[Lefthook]

Interesting thoughts on the low key rifle and after the shot repercussions. I would never shoot at any threat or person unless my life or a family members life was truly at risk, meaning there would have to be multiple shots fired in a long range incident. So I would think there would be ample proof of the need for lethal action, and at that point I would hope it wouldn't matter what the rifle looked like....But I get it, some people only know what they see on tv!

I like the setup shown, and think it would be functional?

Thanks,
H&F

This is normal on this forum, for the goodie two shoes to pick apart any question a person asks. Get used to it, they probably voted for HITLERY too.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to upset anyone with my scary black rifle. Who knows what firearms I have inside my home?

Yeah, you have to register ALL gun purchases now, in the commie state of Washington. So, yes, they HITLERY lovers will know what you have in your house. I feel sorry for you Washington residents.. You gotta get rid of the people who do this to you guys.

Oops, what about all the guns I bought before mandatory background checks? Sorry Campmeat, but nobody has stopped by asking me to register ALL the guns I legally bought at gun shows, from friends, from strangers, etc. No, they have no idea what is in my possession.

[Lefthook]

Thanks everyone for your input, I was of course looking for information specific to building a rifle and any tips and tricks associated with buying parts and thoughts on different rifle platforms. I am more than confident in my ability to protect my family....

Just trying to figure out what parts to order myself (or tell my wife to order for me) for Christmas, I heard Santa needs a few weeks notice to mill uppers and lowers;)

Regards,
H&F

Build this. Use these in your home.

Dump the shotgun if you only want a rifle.

[mountainman]

I'm pretty sure frangible home defense rounds are designed to disintegrate upon impact. This stops over penetration making them one of the safest rounds used for lethal force when discharged inside a home.

There are no "safe" rounds for home defense; if it draws blood, it will go through most household walls. Period.

homework needed, as there are many loads designed to not over penetrate through interior wall's...

You are the one needing to do your homework. Just go shoot some building materials, it's not rocket science! If you really believe you can buy rounds that won't penetrate household walls, I've got some other things to sell you!

SMH..

[Alchase]

Now that we are back on subject.

I'm against an adjustable gas block on this kind of rifle and here is why.

People adjust them.... they are often adjusted to reduce felt recoil. Usually to to point where the rifle is short stroking. Rifles in this condition will lock back on the BHO but any change in ambient air temperature, carbon buildup or even a magazine can cause malfunctions. This is ok when blastimg beer bottles and propane cylinders in the woods, but for fighting it isn't.

I would rather use a heavy buffer and be a little overgassed.

Just got done listening to gun talk, a guy shooting 300 blk out adjusted down, worked fine. Then he put silencer on it and it and his cases would eject with dents from hitting on their way out. He did not concider how much if any the effect of gas by adding the silencer.

[HuntandFish]

This is great feed back and what I was looking for!

Is there a difference in reliable cycling between the Carbine and mid length rifles? I have an AR now that is great and amazingly accurate, but its tendancy to short stroke is high and it leaves the rifle stored away to only plink or varmint hunt with (I need to play with it and try to fix its issues...). So more than anything I am looking for superb reliability, obviously, since it will be used for HD. I am researching right now about the adjustable gas block and like the opinion above in regards to this. I like the idea of having it slightly over gassed recoil is of no concern to me, its not a match weapon.

300Rum, thanks for the great input, I am getting close to pulling the trigger  on some christmas goodies!

H&F

[Alchase]

 HuntandFish, this guy is kind of goofy but his video goes over "short stroking" and how to address it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d0BiSfv3T2g

I am sure Jay and others will have some good info as well.

[CAMPMEAT]

Interesting thoughts on the low key rifle and after the shot repercussions. I would never shoot at any threat or person unless my life or a family members life was truly at risk, meaning there would have to be multiple shots fired in a long range incident. So I would think there would be ample proof of the need for lethal action, and at that point I would hope it wouldn't matter what the rifle looked like....But I get it, some people only know what they see on tv!

I like the setup shown, and think it would be functional?

Thanks,
H&F

This is normal on this forum, for the goodie two shoes to pick apart any question a person asks. Get used to it, they probably voted for HITLERY too.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to upset anyone with my scary black rifle. Who knows what firearms I have inside my home?

Yeah, you have to register ALL gun purchases now, in the commie state of Washington. So, yes, they HITLERY lovers will know what you have in your house. I feel sorry for you Washington residents.. You gotta get rid of the people who do this to you guys.

this one dosent get registered.
http://ar15mold.com/freedom-15-5-kit/

To the OP
Do you save furs when you hunt coyotes?  If so I'd go with 556. I love my 16"
For HD you prob won't want a scope on it unless you plan on mounting a laser sight or the iron sights that you tilt to use.
If you go with an AR just understand that after you build one you end up getting this sickness that can only be fixed by building more so you'll probably end up building separate rifles for hunting and HD

It wouldn't because it's not a gun, or a complete lower with a registered serial number. Good catch...

[pianoman9701]

Simple, light AR15 with a Reflex sight and a standard barrel. You can train an 8-year old to shoot it effectively in case mommy and daddy get knocked out. And plenty accurate enough to shoot at coyotes up to 300 yards. It may not be a one shot, one kill rifle every time at that range but should be pretty close to it. You can always mount a scope for the coyotes and target shooting.

[Special T]

FN PS90 in 5.7x28 aren't cheap $1500 with a red dot you could probably whack coyotes out to 200 yards. Low recoil compact bullpup design.

[Yondering]

Yondering, it's all relative. How safe is it to let an intruder, especially an armed intruder enter your home and you go after the armed intruder without a firearm because firearms aren't "safe" to use in a home? I would hate to be one if the people you are trying to protect.

You summarize that "All firearms aren't safe for protection in a home because of the weak materials used to build houses". With that reasoning you are implying that a .300 Win Mag is equal to a .22 short when fired inside the house. That simply isn't true. There are personal protection rounds designed to protect you and your loved ones if the need arises inside your residence.

Firearms deserve respect regardless, from the range, out in the field, at home cleaning them and when they are used for protection. A person should maintain a safe procedure when operating a firearm even if operating a firearm is inside the home.

With the proper weapon, cartridge designed for the job, some intense research and proper training, even you could figure out the safest way to protect yourself and those closest to you. Even if the unthinkable occurs inside your home.

I'm not sure how you took my reply to mean you should go unarmed in your home. There are no "safe" rounds that are effective against an intruder; that doesn't mean don't use a gun, it means stop the foolishness about worrying which rounds penetrate walls - they all do. Account for that with training, shot placement, know what's behind your target, etc.