Guns in Wa. stadiums

[b.roberts]

I’m more concerned about my safety while outside the stadium, walking to and from my parking location in some of the most dangerous parts of the city. Since it’s not legal to take any sort of the personal protection device (firearm, knife, pepper spray) into the stadium, these policies require fans to be unprotected in a vulnerable part of town, especially if you park quite a distance from the stadium.

Exactly.  Truly not worried about response to active shooters. 

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[haugenna]

I don't know what the big deal is on here. Laws do not pertain to criminals, never have, never will.

In a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.

Does a 10 year old know to do that?
Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger.
I don't like it.

No, but the parent who's with the 10 year old does. Whether it's a cop or an armed citizen, an active shooter needs to be stopped before he kills possibly scores more people. Either the cop or the armed citizen may miss and shoot, even possibly kill a bystander. But killing the shooter ASAP will ultimately save way more lives than standing around waiting for everyone to be safe and out of the way. We're not talking about an armed robbery or a car jacking where killing the perpetrator is a judgement call and may be an unnecessary risk to bystanders. We're talking about lots of people being killed if the guy isn't stopped. If someone's sitting right next to him with a firearm, it stops really fast.

Not sure if you have kids or had kids, but keeping a 10 year old within immediate range to grab/push/shove/whatever towards a safe location is virtually impossible. I guess I don't trust 90% of the people who might be carrying to be educated and trained as to what the right thing to do is in that scenario. That's not the same as an intruder in your house or a carjacking or some other less populated situation. Everybody has all the training they need when they're talking about it via their keyboard. When the crap hits the fan, not many people actually know what to do. That is a real life fact.

So you'd feel more comfortable knowing there's no one in the area that could legally have a gun to try and stop someone who want to kill as many people as they can! So you'd cower down and hope they would let you live....not me,if I wasn't carrying,which won't happen.,I'd be wishing someone else was. I guess that's why the world has sheeple

I think you're missing my point. The concern I have is you've got the bad guy and you've got some amateur hour gun owner start shooting and bullets are flying everywhere. Random casualties in that situation are pretty much guaranteed to happen in those crowds. As of now, if you go to Safeco field, you get wanded or through the metal detector. You have a gun. You can't go in with the gun. Now we have a new law that says you can. Some nutcase with a CWP now walks into Safeco field with his now legal gun and decides to shoot up the place. They let him in with it because it was legal.  Obviously someone could sneak a gun in probably, but now it's pretty much legal to walk in with one as long as you have a CWP.
I can't tell you the last time I went to a mall. I might go to 1 game at a big stadium per year....maybe... I don't like crowds. With all the crap going on in the world, I'd much rather stay out of the city and the malls, etc.  I like to stay in my small town. Friday night lights and all. You know. I am a gun owner, handgun owner, I carry at times, I'm not anti-carry or anything like that.

How many rounds are shot at a bad guy until the threat is done by LEO's ? 10, 20,  64 and how many rounds fly around not hitting the target ?

I guess I feel like if it's legal to have guns in the stadiums, there's more potential for bad stuff to happen, thus increasing the odds of more random bullets flying around. I don't believe that you or I or most people posting in this thread would be able to handle an active shooter situation any better than a cop. Sorry. I just don't.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if it suddenly becomes legal to bring them in, there's more potential for some nutcase jackwagon to bring one in.

So your ok with it then if a bad guy does sneak one in,that you'll rely on a police officer to come save you,instead of having a chance to protect yourself? Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties and it'll be just a matter of time,look how many people were killed in France,just think if one person could have had a weapon and at least tried to take the bad guys out,I'd rather die trying than just sit and wait.

Why do you feel that way?  Is it because there are a lot of people there?

The perp has to buy an expensive ticket to get in the venue, get past the bag check and security guards and will have a police officer within shooting distance or many people within arms reach.

[Scvette]

I don't know what the big deal is on here. Laws do not pertain to criminals, never have, never will.

In a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.

Does a 10 year old know to do that?
Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger.
I don't like it.

No, but the parent who's with the 10 year old does. Whether it's a cop or an armed citizen, an active shooter needs to be stopped before he kills possibly scores more people. Either the cop or the armed citizen may miss and shoot, even possibly kill a bystander. But killing the shooter ASAP will ultimately save way more lives than standing around waiting for everyone to be safe and out of the way. We're not talking about an armed robbery or a car jacking where killing the perpetrator is a judgement call and may be an unnecessary risk to bystanders. We're talking about lots of people being killed if the guy isn't stopped. If someone's sitting right next to him with a firearm, it stops really fast.

Not sure if you have kids or had kids, but keeping a 10 year old within immediate range to grab/push/shove/whatever towards a safe location is virtually impossible. I guess I don't trust 90% of the people who might be carrying to be educated and trained as to what the right thing to do is in that scenario. That's not the same as an intruder in your house or a carjacking or some other less populated situation. Everybody has all the training they need when they're talking about it via their keyboard. When the crap hits the fan, not many people actually know what to do. That is a real life fact.

So you'd feel more comfortable knowing there's no one in the area that could legally have a gun to try and stop someone who want to kill as many people as they can! So you'd cower down and hope they would let you live....not me,if I wasn't carrying,which won't happen.,I'd be wishing someone else was. I guess that's why the world has sheeple

I think you're missing my point. The concern I have is you've got the bad guy and you've got some amateur hour gun owner start shooting and bullets are flying everywhere. Random casualties in that situation are pretty much guaranteed to happen in those crowds. As of now, if you go to Safeco field, you get wanded or through the metal detector. You have a gun. You can't go in with the gun. Now we have a new law that says you can. Some nutcase with a CWP now walks into Safeco field with his now legal gun and decides to shoot up the place. They let him in with it because it was legal.  Obviously someone could sneak a gun in probably, but now it's pretty much legal to walk in with one as long as you have a CWP.
I can't tell you the last time I went to a mall. I might go to 1 game at a big stadium per year....maybe... I don't like crowds. With all the crap going on in the world, I'd much rather stay out of the city and the malls, etc.  I like to stay in my small town. Friday night lights and all. You know. I am a gun owner, handgun owner, I carry at times, I'm not anti-carry or anything like that.

How many rounds are shot at a bad guy until the threat is done by LEO's ? 10, 20,  64 and how many rounds fly around not hitting the target ?

I guess I feel like if it's legal to have guns in the stadiums, there's more potential for bad stuff to happen, thus increasing the odds of more random bullets flying around. I don't believe that you or I or most people posting in this thread would be able to handle an active shooter situation any better than a cop. Sorry. I just don't.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if it suddenly becomes legal to bring them in, there's more potential for some nutcase jackwagon to bring one in.

So your ok with it then if a bad guy does sneak one in,that you'll rely on a police officer to come save you,instead of having a chance to protect yourself? Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties and it'll be just a matter of time,look how many people were killed in France,just think if one person could have had a weapon and at least tried to take the bad guys out,I'd rather die trying than just sit and wait.

Why do you feel that way?  Is it because there are a lot of people there?

The perp has to buy an expensive ticket to get in the venue, get past the bag check and security guards and will have a police officer within shooting distance or many people within arms reach.

As someone else mentioned,get that many people in close quarters and firing one bullet will possibly injure more people. There's not going to be an officer within shooting for sure. Most of the dirt bags or terrorist know they're going to die so the security or buying a ticket doesn't mean anything. I pray it never happens in a stadium,but I feel it eventually will. Like I said,I'd rather have a fighting chance to defend myself,veruses cowering and praying the next bullet a bad guy fires hits me.

[CAMPMEAT]

Everybody keeps talking about shooting the bad guy with no training etc. People on here forget, if you  can, get next to the bad guy from the rear, side, whatever and kill hm with your hands. There any many martial arts that could tear his head off in a second. Chew on that scenario...

[Band]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

[csaaphill]

For the most part unless some whacko with an agenda or terrorist, stadiums aren't going to be hit. But if someone in the crowd did open up on people and I happened to be there I'd want to be able to protect myself and not be a victim. So....... if they're going to allow concealed carry Good!

[fishngamereaper]

There are a lot softer targets in the city than a sports stadium. You won't see a shooting inside the stadium, you will see fire or another diversion to drive people out of the stadium... And a van filled with anfo parked outside. My perspective, I don't go near Seattle unless I can carry when I do. But that won't help for terrorist acts. I'm more concerned about the average low life thug walking around. Sesttle has bigger concerns ..Wait and see how this stupid tunnel is used. You could sink the city with a well placed IED. And don't get me stared on ferries.

[NW-GSP]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

[Band]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

Rhetorical question: was there any screening in place to help prevent the Paris attack?

[Scvette]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

Rhetorical question: was there any screening in place to help prevent the Paris attack?

Why should they screen anyone there,they have strict gun laws,no ones alowed to own guns there. Oh wait. 

[NW-GSP]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

Rhetorical question: was there any screening in place to help prevent the Paris attack?

Why should they screen anyone there,they have strict gun laws,no ones alowed to own guns there. Oh wait. 

Exactly!.

Do you really trust the screening process at the stadiums?, I guarantee they are missing more then TSA.

[Special T]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

Rhetorical question: was there any screening in place to help prevent the Paris attack?

Why should they screen anyone there,they have strict gun laws,no ones alowed to own guns there. Oh wait. 

Exactly!.

Do you really trust the screening process at the stadiums?, I guarantee they are missing more then TSA.

I have accidentally carried a lot of amunition on an air plane.  A few pistol rounds, some buckshot, a couple rifle rounds... I'm not impressed with the TSA nor am I with the BS security at the Stadiums. The best arguments for allowing it have less to do with the actually event than the before or after in down town.

[biggfish]

Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium?  What is the justification for possessing a firearm.  Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this? 

Have you ever walked a mile or more in downtown Seattle on a dark night, to and from your parking spot, to attend an event at CenturyLink?

I use to be a delivery driver in downtown Seattle, I have had a knife pulled on me twice. Pulling my gun out resolved the situation both times. I do not go to the games in Seattle due to the restriction on guns in the stadiums. Don't forget that the NFL does. It even allow off duty LEO to carry at the games and I think that is pathetic.

At least CenturyLink does not allow off duty police to carry that I know of, can't speak for other stadiums. All entrants including employees have to pass through metal detectors to enter. Off duty LEO'S are required to surrender their weapons to SPD and are locked into the duty lockers in the police station in the stadium. I worked at the stadium for years as well as others, Key Arena is the only stadium I'm aware of that has lockers available to cpl holders. All the other stadiums I've worked they tell everyone including off duty LEO'S they must take them back to their vehicles.

[Band]

Stadiums are the perfect place for mass casualties

Sounds like a good reason to start allowing 70,000 people to start bringing guns to the game.

I'm sure the victims in Paris thought the same thing

Rhetorical question: was there any screening in place to help prevent the Paris attack?

Why should they screen anyone there,they have strict gun laws,no ones alowed to own guns there. Oh wait. 

Exactly!.

Do you really trust the screening process at the stadiums?, I guarantee they are missing more then TSA.

How many billions of people have "put their lives on the line" to attend a sporting event in the U.S. over the years without, correct me if I am wrong, a single one of them being shot inside the stadium where screening takes place to prevent weapons?

Get back to me when that changes and we'll resume the discussion.

Until then, some of you are wanting to make "mass casualties" a near certain reality by introducing guns where guns are currently not allowed and nobody has ever been shot.

Sometimes I think its important to weigh evidence and forethought against learned reaction when making up one's mind about an issue.  Maybe this is one of those times.

[smittyJ]

Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium?  What is the justification for possessing a firearm.  Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this? 

Have you ever walked a mile or more in downtown Seattle on a dark night, to and from your parking spot, to attend an event at CenturyLink?

Or ridden the train or bus to the stadium? As far as drinking goes, you are allowed in a restaurant or bar that has an under 21 section but does not say you can't drink although it is a bad idea!

I don't go anywhere I can't carry!!