Stop the National Carry Permit!

[Oh Mah]

States rights might be worthy if it was the entire state,If when we voted state issues they used a rule like most counties carried in a vote whether it be for elections of state gov. or Initiatives.The way it is now its not the states, It's the metro's within the states that make the rules. 

[Stein]

Try carrying a gun in Illinois or California and then tell me about how the state's power should be strengthened.

[EmeraldBullet]

Special T, Oregon is an open carry state as it is. Getting a concealed carry isn't difficult either, but they don't do the reciprocity thing.

[netcoyote]

Did we learn nothing in the last eight years?

Why on earth would anyone want to cede a firearm regulation over to Federal control? This is extremely dangerous territory. It might sound good now with a Trump presidency and a Republican congress but what happens when we get an Obama 2.0 and a Democrat controlled Congress. They will have a field day with it. They will assume that the states ceded the right to control firearm possession and they will have us exactly where they have been trying to get us...and it will be our own damn fault!

[Fl0und3rz]

You are making the bean blunder.  The jurisdiction to legislate in this sphere derives from the 2A and the right of interstate travel.  Attempts to legislate beyond that is subject to constitutional challenge.

[Special T]

Special T, Oregon is an open carry state as it is. Getting a concealed carry isn't difficult either, but they don't do the reciprocity thing.

Oregon suffers some of the same kind of strangeness that wa does. When I was bow hunting in E or many years ago I OC while hunting and such and never got a sideways glance... not exactly a shocker I know... I will state that the county your carrying in has EVERYTHING TO do with how you will be treated. I wouldn't OC in Seattle anymore than I would in Portland.

[EmeraldBullet]

Special T, Oregon is an open carry state as it is. Getting a concealed carry isn't difficult either, but they don't do the reciprocity thing.

Oregon suffers some of the same kind of strangeness that wa does. When I was bow hunting in E or many years ago I OC while hunting and such and never got a sideways glance... not exactly a shocker I know... I will state that the county your carrying in has EVERYTHING TO do with how you will be treated. I wouldn't OC in Seattle anymore than I would in Portland.

I don't mind the dirty looks open carrying to be honest. In Everett when I open carry at starbucks to get my coffee they always make my drink first too. I agree with what you say about OR, vey similar to Wa. Though even in Jackson County you will get some dirty looks.

[Stein]

Did we learn nothing in the last eight years?

Why on earth would anyone want to cede a firearm regulation over to Federal control? This is extremely dangerous territory. It might sound good now with a Trump presidency and a Republican congress but what happens when we get an Obama 2.0 and a Democrat controlled Congress. They will have a field day with it. They will assume that the states ceded the right to control firearm possession and they will have us exactly where they have been trying to get us...and it will be our own damn fault!
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What happened in the last eight years?  From my perspective, 2A rights made huge strides forward.  If you think Seattle dems are going to protect your rights better than the feds, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Big money lefties have taken the battle to the state and local level because they understand they have gotten their butts handed to them and it is much easier to buy off a few local and state elections and fund stuff like I594.

I'm not ceding restrictions over to the feds, I am encouraging them to prevent state restrictions from happening through preemption.

[Special T]

Special T, Oregon is an open carry state as it is. Getting a concealed carry isn't difficult either, but they don't do the reciprocity thing.

Oregon suffers some of the same kind of strangeness that wa does. When I was bow hunting in E or many years ago I OC while hunting and such and never got a sideways glance... not exactly a shocker I know... I will state that the county your carrying in has EVERYTHING TO do with how you will be treated. I wouldn't OC in Seattle anymore than I would in Portland.

I don't mind the dirty looks open carrying to be honest. In Everett when I open carry at starbucks to get my coffee they always make my drink first too. I agree with what you say about OR, vey similar to Wa. Though even in Jackson County you will get some dirty looks.

If I were going to OC I'd have to take a couple of days to brush up on the laws and print out a bunch of  informational flyers. I'd want to be a positive influence on the discussion not a confrontational knuckle head looking to make a you tube video.

[EmeraldBullet]

I don't have printed flyers but I always make sure I am familiar with the law when I am doing it, and never try to be confrontational. I do want to exercise my legal rights though, and I enjoy helping people become aware that good guys carry guns to, even ones not in a uniform (not a police officer or military). I agree though that there are a lot of knuckleheads out there that give us all a bad name.

[Fl0und3rz]

The constitution protects a fundamental right of interstate travel. The reciprocity bill on the table appears to be nothing more than a recognition that citizens lawfully exercising their Second Amendment rights need not check them at the border of their state, while simultaneously exercising their right to freely travel interstate.

I understand the tension behind the federalists' objections to the federal encroachment of states' police powers. However, when such encroachment exists - if at all - and/or is in the direction of increasing individual (constitutionally protected) liberties over that of state police powers (which is apparent from the private right of action granted by this act), I think that objection is moot.

That is aside from the point that the federalism objection presupposes that states/municipalities have a legitimate police power in virtually legislating the 2A out of existence in places like CA, Chicago, NYC, etc.

I think the reciprocity bill is well thought out, but for the explicit coverage of constitutional carry states.

It will be interesting to follow the debates.

[biggfish]

I know a long shot, but what are the odds that Washington could pass a law like Idaho just did?

Well if the governor can pass that list of guns he wants banned (all semiautomatic handguns and rifles included) then the odds might be good. It would be pointless since the only firearms you could own at that point would be single shot or single action.

[Special T]

All hope is lost for me on this issue. If Inslee can get ready elected easily there there is NO chance to move forward only defence. Sadly even a good and Decent Govenor like Bryant or Rossi likely would not use up precious political Capitol to roll back restrictions. There are too many  other pressing issues for the state... instead how much tax will be increased and who will get soaked will be the concern.

[netcoyote]

All hope is lost for me on this issue. If Inslee can get ready elected easily there there is NO chance to move forward only defence. Sadly even a good and Decent Govenor like Bryant or Rossi likely would not use up precious political Capitol to roll back restrictions. There are too many  other pressing issues for the state... instead how much tax will be increased and who will get soaked will be the concern.

  As lousy as the CPL is in WA; i.e. no ID value, no training or proficiency requirements, etc. I would be loath to suggest even bringing the subject of ANY changes to the license. The liberals would pounce on it like flies on a carcass. Let this sleeping dog lie.

[Special T]

Washington is a stange animal. If you study it's history  there is a distrust of the feds and those that wish to inject itself into our politics. We really missed the boat in theb80s when we had the chance to be the ID of the west coast. Instead we were snooker Ed by the smooth talking of import California residents and import politicians.