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Just had a strange experience at an ffl for a transfer. Went in with the rifle waited for the buyer the guy at the counter writes some stuff down and asks for my ID. When the buyer gets there hey run the check and it comes back delayed. So the buyer wants to cancel the sale and get his moneu back I say ok I'll just take the gun and sell to someone else. The ffl guy tells me that as soon as I walked through that door with the gun to sell the shop now has possession and owns it and I would have to pay a transfer fee and go through a check to get my own gun back. He then says every check they have done the last few weeks has been delayed. So I would have to wait to get my own gun back. Is this right? Should he have told me the info about them basically owning the gun as soon as I walk in with it? The buyer decided to keep it and wait on the check but I wanted to check here also.
Sounds like theft of a firearm to me. Might be worth getting law enforcement involved!
It is always a good idea to ask a shops policy prior to doing a transfer. The problem is there is a lot of unclarity between Washington state law and federal law. Under federal law once an ffl logs a firearm into their books it can not be removed without a corresponding 4473. Every 4473 needs to be called. So by federal law the shop is correct. As for everyone getting delayed, that is not true. I have bought 4 guns this month and never been delayed. I was told from an FFL I know well and respect that if someone brings in a gun for transfer and both the buyer and seller are denied, not delayed, that the only option is for the shop to consign the gun for the original owner. The reason is once a gun goes on an FFL books the shop is legally responsible for it. In oder for it to change hands an individual must pass a background check or it must be transfered to another ffl. Thank your Washington state law makers for their poorly written law. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
Wow, you handled that welol. I would have blew a gasket!
Quote from: Fungunnin on December 23, 2016, 06:19:52 AMIt is always a good idea to ask a shops policy prior to doing a transfer. The problem is there is a lot of unclarity between Washington state law and federal law. Under federal law once an ffl logs a firearm into their books it can not be removed without a corresponding 4473. Every 4473 needs to be called. So by federal law the shop is correct. As for everyone getting delayed, that is not true. I have bought 4 guns this month and never been delayed. I was told from an FFL I know well and respect that if someone brings in a gun for transfer and both the buyer and seller are denied, not delayed, that the only option is for the shop to consign the gun for the original owner. The reason is once a gun goes on an FFL books the shop is legally responsible for it. In oder for it to change hands an individual must pass a background check or it must be transfered to another ffl. Thank your Washington state law makers for their poorly written law. Sent from my SCH-I605 using TapatalkYour guy is wrong. The firearm can be logged back out to the owner without a 4473.
Quote from: jay.sharkbait on December 23, 2016, 07:29:27 AMQuote from: Fungunnin on December 23, 2016, 06:19:52 AMIt is always a good idea to ask a shops policy prior to doing a transfer. The problem is there is a lot of unclarity between Washington state law and federal law. Under federal law once an ffl logs a firearm into their books it can not be removed without a corresponding 4473. Every 4473 needs to be called. So by federal law the shop is correct. As for everyone getting delayed, that is not true. I have bought 4 guns this month and never been delayed. I was told from an FFL I know well and respect that if someone brings in a gun for transfer and both the buyer and seller are denied, not delayed, that the only option is for the shop to consign the gun for the original owner. The reason is once a gun goes on an FFL books the shop is legally responsible for it. In oder for it to change hands an individual must pass a background check or it must be transfered to another ffl. Thank your Washington state law makers for their poorly written law. Sent from my SCH-I605 using TapatalkYour guy is wrong. The firearm can be logged back out to the owner without a 4473.I started digging into this .... Apparently the ATF issued a letter saying that for private party transfers guns don't need to be logged into an FFL's books until after the entire transaction is complete. The only way a FFL can log a gun off their books without a 4473 is to transfer it to another FFL or if the gun was stolen. There is special exemption for gun smiths. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
I probably would have ended up in jail, but I would have gone home with my rifle.
Quote from: Fungunnin on December 23, 2016, 07:55:21 AMQuote from: jay.sharkbait on December 23, 2016, 07:29:27 AMQuote from: Fungunnin on December 23, 2016, 06:19:52 AMIt is always a good idea to ask a shops policy prior to doing a transfer. The problem is there is a lot of unclarity between Washington state law and federal law. Under federal law once an ffl logs a firearm into their books it can not be removed without a corresponding 4473. Every 4473 needs to be called. So by federal law the shop is correct. As for everyone getting delayed, that is not true. I have bought 4 guns this month and never been delayed. I was told from an FFL I know well and respect that if someone brings in a gun for transfer and both the buyer and seller are denied, not delayed, that the only option is for the shop to consign the gun for the original owner. The reason is once a gun goes on an FFL books the shop is legally responsible for it. In oder for it to change hands an individual must pass a background check or it must be transfered to another ffl. Thank your Washington state law makers for their poorly written law. Sent from my SCH-I605 using TapatalkYour guy is wrong. The firearm can be logged back out to the owner without a 4473.I started digging into this .... Apparently the ATF issued a letter saying that for private party transfers guns don't need to be logged into an FFL's books until after the entire transaction is complete. The only way a FFL can log a gun off their books without a 4473 is to transfer it to another FFL or if the gun was stolen. There is special exemption for gun smiths. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalkdo you know where I can obtain a copy of this letter?
