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Just to throw more into this conversation for the original OP of this thread, when searching for PP's there is also two registries for this breed. The group of breeders between Idaho and Oregon breed outstanding bird dogs there is no denying that. They breed and register and test through NAVHDA. There is also the Pudlepointer Club of North America that follow a more strict German testing and breeding program more like the Deutsch-Drahthaar. Where the dog is also tested on on fur. (Which is something to consider if you have a family cat.)Also to breed according to the P.C. of N.A. your dog also has to pass a VJP & BIT test (Breed Improvement Test) before the age of 5 or you are not allowed to let that dog into the gene pool.I personally have been fortunate to train and hunt PP's from both registries and you will not go wrong with either. As far as "my PP will out mark, retrieve or what ever else your Lab" all I can say is I look forward to the day when we could somehow have a Hunt WA BRING IT ON DAY. Because there are an amazing amount of outstanding dogs and breeds owned by some great people on here..
I was never implying that my dog could do retrieving test better than a lab. I don't train for that level of retrieving with pointers. What I was saying is that they have the basic ability to do what labs do if trained accordingly equally as well. I like to see the independence in a pointer verses the control of retrievers. A perfect day for me is hunting all day and saying very few commands during that time. I don't get off on giving direction and hand signals all the way to a blind retrieve anymore. I prefer to give the command and let the dog do there thing. If they get off line I don't care. As long as they have the drive to stay out there until finding the bird or I call them back. Nothing short of that.I will side with the camp that the average area I duck hunt in doesn't allow me to give hand signals beyond 50 yards or less simply because I can't see them or the bird. Maybe the next guy hunts in something different and a different approach is better. To each there own. I am very convinced that if you take a PP from day one and train them like a lab they would do equally as well as any lab would do. I don't know of anyone that does that though. There has been some pretty successful PP's in the retrieving realm but its usually as an after thought to traditional pointing training.
No grand (yet)😉. I hope to one day with one of my PPs.
Quote from: addicted2hunting on February 05, 2017, 12:59:08 PMNo grand (yet)😉. I hope to one day with one of my PPs.That'd be pretty sweet! Wished they have one on this side of the rockies.Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Quote from: Shannon on February 05, 2017, 12:36:45 PMI was never implying that my dog could do retrieving test better than a lab. I don't train for that level of retrieving with pointers. What I was saying is that they have the basic ability to do what labs do if trained accordingly equally as well. I like to see the independence in a pointer verses the control of retrievers. A perfect day for me is hunting all day and saying very few commands during that time. I don't get off on giving direction and hand signals all the way to a blind retrieve anymore. I prefer to give the command and let the dog do there thing. If they get off line I don't care. As long as they have the drive to stay out there until finding the bird or I call them back. Nothing short of that.I will side with the camp that the average area I duck hunt in doesn't allow me to give hand signals beyond 50 yards or less simply because I can't see them or the bird. Maybe the next guy hunts in something different and a different approach is better. To each there own. I am very convinced that if you take a PP from day one and train them like a lab they would do equally as well as any lab would do. I don't know of anyone that does that though. There has been some pretty successful PP's in the retrieving realm but its usually as an after thought to traditional pointing training.I mean that all depends on your standards in the retriever world. MH is gonna look down its nose at HRCH while HRCH is gonna look down at a MH and a FC/AFC is gonna look down on both. Anybody know if a PP has entered a UKC Grand? Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Honestly I hunt fields 95% of the time. So I always see the falls and I usually send my dog on the long blind first. I only got my floaters wet twice this past season and both times there was not tall cover surrounding so I just don't encounter those situations.Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Oh common Richard... You wouldn't even take on my old fat brood bitch xhesapeake on a timed upland bird finding bet