40 cal hype is over??

[300rum]

The .40 will be like the .38 super, a great round that once had a wider appeal but now carried by guys who wear a newsboy hat and wax their handle bar mustache. 

[theleo]

It's like the 38-40. It'll be around but always overshadowed buy it's larger and smaller counterparts.

[Buzz2401]

I own a ton of pistols but don't a 40 but I would say it is far from hype, they sell a ton of them still and always will.

[KFhunter]

I own a ton of pistols but don't a 40 but I would say it is far from hype, they sell a ton of them still and always will.

  

pretty much the gold standard for law enforcement

[Mongo Hunter]

I own a ton of pistols but don't a 40 but I would say it is far from hype, they sell a ton of them still and always will.

  

pretty much the gold standard for law enforcement

Actually that's changing. a lot of departments are switching back to the 9mm. easier to shoot, more ammo, cheaper to shoot and 9mm doesn't beat the guns up as bad giving longer service life. remember like the military the police force is full of bean counters.

[fish vacuum]

I own a ton of pistols but don't a 40 but I would say it is far from hype, they sell a ton of them still and always will.

  

pretty much the gold standard for law enforcement

Actually that's changing. a lot of departments are switching back to the 9mm. easier to shoot, more ammo, cheaper to shoot and 9mm doesn't beat the guns up as bad giving longer service life. remember like the military the police force is full of bean counters.

This. Similar performance in the field from 9mm at a lower cost on the range.

[STRINGSHOOTER]

I'm certainly no expert, but I have been researching a semi auto to carry while hunting in the event of a cat or black bear. From what I've seen the 10mm is best, but the 40 is more effective than 45 or 9 against bear for penetration. While a 9 will penetrate, it takes more shots than from a 40,and placement on a charging bear or cat is not so easy. So I thought I would get a 40 with some good ammo. A good 9 with great ammo is fine for self defense. I'm not interested in a revolver. What do you think?

[300rum]

This is why it is and has been going away.  Emphasis mine. 

https://loadoutroom.com/12077/fbi-going-9mm-comes-science/

FBI 9MM Justification

FBI Training Division: FBI Academy, Quantico, VA

Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners

· Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades

· Most of what is “common knowledge” with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore

· Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what “caliber” is best

· In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO’s in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high ting incident likelihood of succeeding for LEOs in a shooting incident

· Handgun stopping power is simply a myth

· The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12” – 18”)

· LEOs miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

· Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)

· 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI

· 9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)

· The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)

· There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto

· Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers

[SpringerFan]

My carry is a Beretta PX4 Storm in .40 and I love it. I don't reload so the equipment is not an issue. I don't have the knowledge to make a call but I like the round.

[Alchase]

I'm not educated much in this department, but if you have to buy special, hi-po, hot rod rounds in 9mm to come close to matching the .40, doesn't the benefit of the hot rod 9mm rounds go out the window?? Or are the higher performance, harder hitting 9mm rounds still cheaper, more available and lower recoiling than the standard .40's??
Educate me...

A hotrod (handloaded) 9mm round will get close to a standard .40 cal in speed not weight.

Using Hornady just as an example:
9mm go up to 147gr
40 cal starts at 155gr up to 180gr

Felt recoil differences between the .40 and the 9mm are negligible compared to the difference between the .40 and the 10mm, and dependent on handgun make and model, but everyone is different and feels recoil differently.

Attached is a comparison from Speer LE Gold Dot page comparing 147gr 9mm (heaviest 9mm) and 155gr .40 cal (lightest .40)

The energy of the .40 cal at 100 yards is more then the 9mm at the muzzle.
And at the muzzle the 9mm is only 64% of the .40 cal

[Alchase]

· 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI

I would love to see which 9mm projectiles are outperforming premium .40 cal rounds?

I showed just one typical example from Speer LE Gold dots, very popular round for Law Enforcement, every ammo seller I know makes same type ammo for both calibers.

[jay.sharkbait]

I think it's easier to spray and prey with the 9 than a 40.

[h20hunter]

No way can I shoot da 40 with the required side of slide sight picture like i can with a double stacked 9.

[Cylvertip]

I hope you don't carry that thing for personal defense in crowded areas, it'll pass through your bad guy and 4 more people behind them.

 

No, That will be my new woods carry gun  - prepping for hunting in brown bear country

[The scout]

I think it's easier to spray and prey with the 9 than a 40.

That's the mag I use for all my backpack trips but only because I'm not that good of a shot