Should ALL general season Elk hunts be canceled in favor of permit only hunting?

[kentrek]

Hey shooting an elk every ten years is better then our state...and at least it's a quality experience !!! 

[buglebrush]

Hey shooting an elk every ten years is better then our state...and at least it's a quality experience !!! 

Not true.  I kill a bull basically every year, and always have quality experiences.  Am still waiting to draw my first special permit too.   

[BULLBLASTER]

.  But in all other states that I hunt in, your second and third choices mean absolutely nothing because its never drawn.  I could explain how that works but I don't want to type all day. 

This has nothing to do with having more or les otc opportunity or draw tags to apply for. It's strictly how the draws are run. In wa they draw an app and go through all its choices until there's an open permit. In other places they only look at peoples first choices until all first choices are done then leftovers go to a draw of second choices.

[Karl Blanchard]

Hey shooting an elk every ten years is better then our state...and at least it's a quality experience !!! 

  true but that's ten years AFTER you draw.  Draw odds in NV make some of our bull tags look easy to draw.

[kentrek]

Hey shooting an elk every ten years is better then our state...and at least it's a quality experience !!! 

  true but that's ten years AFTER you draw.  Draw odds in NV make some of our bull tags look easy to draw.

Which is why I pass on NV for elk....

We must not price our selves out of a vote....that price can include money or TIME

[OutHouse]

I'll admit I don't do much elk hunting but the guys I know who really get after it every year almost always fill their tag. Maybe some hunters are better than others or they work more for their animal, but it's pretty clear to me that if you just get at it boots on the ground chances are pretty good. 

[hughjorgan]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

[fishngamereaper]

You should have to pick your GMU

[dscubame]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

I sit out every season in WA unless I draw a tag under the current point system.

[hughjorgan]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

I sit out every season in WA unless I draw a tag under the current point system.

Are you a modern Hunter for elk?

[dscubame]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

I sit out every season in WA unless I draw a tag under the current point system.

Are you a modern Hunter for elk?

Preference is Muzzy for the WA season dates.  Capable of all 3.

[WAcoueshunter]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

 

I apply for either archery or muzzy eastside elk tags.  Haven't hunted OTC here in close to 10 years.  Bought a west side tag and hunted OTC in about 2008.  If I had nothing else going, I'd probably be out there though - any hunting is better than no hunting.  But I generally have better options elsewhere to fill my hunt calendar.

[SCRUBS]

NO, NO, NO. You can't have this image of managing our deer and elk by permit only and have ideas of big bucks, bulls running all over the place on the east side...............UNTIL you get the tribes on the same page, end of discussion.   And they have no reason to sit down and talk with us, Yakama's have no limit to buck deer and bull elk they can kill, you tell me how the hell your going to get the mucks, yakamas and the colvilles to restrict their hunting by some of their bad apples???   Just blow up this thread, it's useless, it only gives wdfw ideas to restrict non native hunting.   

It is really naive to think the tribes will come together to manage a natural resource if we go to permit only. Look at the tribal nets across the rivers where salmon and steelhead are trying to spawn. And  would be amazed at all the game waste by the tribes. Permit only would result in more big bulls and bucks for the tribes and lesser opportunities for the average hunter.

[hughjorgan]

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

I sit out every season in WA unless I draw a tag under the current point system.

Are you a modern Hunter for elk?

Preference is Muzzy for the WA season dates.  Capable of all 3.

I would have thought more modern guys would be in favor of permit only because of the over crowding. I rarely see anyone during archery season and am into elk all the time I would imagine muzzy season would be even better.

how many of the 77 people that voted for permit only statewide put in for permits now and sit out the general season? Do you practice what you preach already?

 

I apply for either archery or muzzy eastside elk tags.  Haven't hunted OTC here in close to 10 years.  Bought a west side tag and hunted OTC in about 2008.  If I had nothing else going, I'd probably be out there though - any hunting is better than no hunting.  But I generally have better options elsewhere to fill my hunt calendar.

 
But you still hunt out of state for elk then from the sounds of it?

[bobdog86]

NO, NO, NO. You can't have this image of managing our deer and elk by permit only and have ideas of big bucks, bulls running all over the place on the east side...............UNTIL you get the tribes on the same page, end of discussion.   And they have no reason to sit down and talk with us, Yakama's have no limit to buck deer and bull elk they can kill, you tell me how the hell your going to get the mucks, yakamas and the colvilles to restrict their hunting by some of their bad apples???   Just blow up this thread, it's useless, it only gives wdfw ideas to restrict non native hunting.   

It is really naive to think the tribes will come together to manage a natural resource if we go to permit only. Look at the tribal nets across the rivers where salmon and steelhead are trying to spawn. And  would be amazed at all the game waste by the tribes. Permit only would result in more big bulls and bucks for the tribes and lesser opportunities for the average hunter.

Exactly, the fact this topic is even discussed is a one sided view....and yes, this is a waste of discussion, great in theory but would be a failure in application. There would be zero cooperation in management with the Native American tribe/popluation, by their right and by our doing...Until both side can work together, waste of discussion.