Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[CP]

I vote yes, I also would vote yes on all optics.  They help with good, clean, ethical kills and keep the sport open to those of us with aging eye sight.

[syoungs]

I voted yes, we already get crap for seasons and available hunts, throw us a bone with a non magnified scope.

It's not like you would be forced to use one, but the option would be nice,especially for the older generation that could really benefit from it. I don't think the harvest rate will skyrocket, I do think lost/wounded animals will decrease.

And like was said before, still an open breach, still a single shot, still lots of room for error. I would like to see a caveat along the lines of simple reticle only, no because or something, cause yeah, some jackwads will love stuff way down range that have no reason doing it (just like what happens with modern firearms)

[Skillet]

So let me understand this better, it's ok for archery and rifle equipment to have a steady increase in technology but one weapon group can't?

Modern rifle, I have no problem with the arms race happening.  It's "modern."   I don't agree with any of the recent archery improvements like nocks and expanding heads (but haven't held an archery tag for umpteen years). 

I also think inlines don't follow the intended spirit of the season.  Neither do sabots.  Wish they'd do away with both of those as well.

Just playing devils advocate....should archers and muzzleloader hunters hunt in loin cloth too.  Some advances are good and make for more ethical kills in my opinion.

I wondered how long it would take for somebody to take my point to the extreme... 

I believe the primitive weapons should be defined by the spirit in which the seasons created for them intended.   That means weapons should be restricted to the technology available and accepted for that weapon when the seasons were created.  Ethical kills come from experience,  skill and good decision making.  Not equipment.  I have made poor decisions in the heat of the moment, and would probably made good use of glass on my Hawken to gather light to ensure a clean kill.  But my poor decision making in that instance was the problem, not a lack of glass on my primitive weapon.

I will allow for improvements in human safety, such as pyrodex over goex.  But beyond a human safety improvement standpoint, the weapons' technology allowed in primitive weapons seasons should be free from the relentless pressure of marketing from outdoors equipment manufacturers. 

[Bob33]

Improvements in primitive weapons will increase harvest success.

Increases in harvest will more than likely result in decreases in hunting season lengths or dates.

[jackelope]

So let me understand this better, it's ok for archery and rifle equipment to have a steady increase in technology but one weapon group can't? 

If you call lighted nocks a technology advantage, I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm of the opinion that mechanical broadheads are a disadvantage as they don't seem to be as durable as fixed blades.

The bread crumbs the muzzy guys get are ... season dates, deer and elk overlap, modern inlines, sabots....there are probably more.

[BULLBLASTER]

If we bring the lighted nock to the discussion I would be ok with allowing tracer bullets during muzzy season. 

[Karl Blanchard]

I voted no.  Muzzleloader is my favorite weapon to hunt with.  As muzzleloader become more idiot proof, the crowds get bigger and bigger, and opportunities shrink.  Remember east side late cow hunts?  I do and they were awesome!  It's a slippery slope for sure.  If we went back to hawkens, the crowds would get awfully small

[Woodchuck]

I voted no. It's supposed to be a primitive season.

[BULLBLASTER]

My thoughts are a nonmagnifying scope could be a complete game changer to the muzzy world. The ability to compensate accurately for range would be huge.

[jackelope]

If we bring the lighted nock to the discussion I would be ok with allowing tracer bullets during muzzy season. 

I started typing that then stopped.

That would be amazing though.......I'm picturing a slo-mo video of a giant cloud of smoke with a .50 cal tracer flying out of it.

[fishngamereaper]

If we bring the lighted nock to the discussion I would be ok with allowing tracer bullets during muzzy season. 

I started typing that then stopped.

That would be amazing though.......I'm picturing a slo-mo video of a giant cloud of smoke with a .50 cal tracer flying out of it.

Then the seasons would move to Dec so you don't start forest fires with 50 cal flame throwers.

[Wanttohuntmore]

Ethical kills are a bad argument.   The weapons and the users knowledge of its limitations are what determines the ethical part.   You cannot legislate in ethical behavior by allowing glass.  If you want glass hunt modem season.

[elevenpt1]

Don't need one on mine. It would just get all wet and you couldn't see anything anyway. Wet side elk.

[huntnphool]

 How long would it be before someone developed a slip on "magnifier" that could be easily installed and removed in the field, enabling them to "cheat"?

 I am for lighted nocks but not this.

[CP]

Archery is a “primitive” hunt as well.

Bows should only be made of wood, no lighted nocks, no fiber optic pins, no cams, animal gut strings only, …

How long until someone sticks a magnifier on one?