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[Rainier10]

It seems the best way to get honest information on any particular outfitter, would be to post on the forum asking for opinions, and request that people send those via private message.  I don't know, it does make it rather difficult to get information though, when you're not even allowed to post the name of the outfitter.   

I started on this forum looking for information about a certain area.  It is frustrating that because of threats of lawsuits what I think is valuable information can't be shared openly.  As a business owner I can also see the other side of not wanting information out there that would paint my business in a poor light.

Of course I would work to improve my appearance versus threaten lawsuits but everyone has a different way of doing things.

FYI the private message option is a great solution to all kinds of things on this forum, hunting spots, outfitters and taxidermists.

I surfed around looking for information and then a member a pm saying "I see you are located in "x" and have some knowledge of GMU "y".  I am thinking of taking my kids there any tips of locations to start poking around?"

The same could be done for outfitters and taxidermists.

Like I said above it is frustrating that it has come to that but with the threats of lawsuits the PM is a viable way around it.

[Miles]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

[jackelope]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

We're not trying to protect anyone. The forum has been threatened by lawsuits from this guy multiple times. Unless you want to fire up a savings account to assist with lawyer costs, please try and understand. We don't have the budget to be dealing with that so this is the best we can do.

[Miles]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

We're not trying to protect anyone. The forum has been threatened by lawsuits from this guy multiple times. Unless you want to fire up a savings account to assist with lawyer costs, please try and understand. We don't have the budget to be dealing with that so this is the best we can do.

Sounds like you are trying to protect something.  That being the forum and its members.  I'm not saying what you guys are doing is wrong, but it certainly isn't helping with the potential truths and experiences surrounding this outfitter.  By all means do what Is needed to ensure you CYA.

[jackelope]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

We're not trying to protect anyone. The forum has been threatened by lawsuits from this guy multiple times. Unless you want to fire up a savings account to assist with lawyer costs, please try and understand. We don't have the budget to be dealing with that so this is the best we can do.

Sounds like you are trying to protect something.  That being the forum and its members.  I'm not saying what you guys are doing is wrong, but it certainly isn't helping with the potential truths and experiences surrounding this outfitter.  By all means do what Is needed to ensure you CYA.

Ya, I guess you could say we're protecting the forum. Until this place takes off and we all become millionaires off the proceeds, we'll do what we have to do.
It's weird to me that the Michelle Nelson thing comes up and not other topics that actually did bring threats of lawsuits.

[Miles]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

We're not trying to protect anyone. The forum has been threatened by lawsuits from this guy multiple times. Unless you want to fire up a savings account to assist with lawyer costs, please try and understand. We don't have the budget to be dealing with that so this is the best we can do.

Sounds like you are trying to protect something.  That being the forum and its members.  I'm not saying what you guys are doing is wrong, but it certainly isn't helping with the potential truths and experiences surrounding this outfitter.  By all means do what Is needed to ensure you CYA.

Ya, I guess you could say we're protecting the forum. Until this place takes off and we all become millionaires off the proceeds, we'll do what we have to do.
It's weird to me that the Michelle Nelson thing comes up and not other topics that actually did bring threats of lawsuits.

Keep the money flowing in and you admin will be the next millionaires of WA.   


I just brought up MNT because it was an example of a poorly run business not getting the proper publicity to prevent future customers from getting screwed.   I am unaware of the HW inner circle lawsuit threats. 

[JimmyHoffa]

I agree Miles.  There's probably a way to wordsmith the review of the outfitter in question to keep any legal claim baseless and give other members a heads up.

[JDHasty]

So in other words.....



If we see an outfitters business or personal name on this forum, that's a good thing but no name ever mentioned is bad?

Seems to be

[JDHasty]

Just prolonging the inevitable.  Look at when everyone tried to keep the Michelle Nelson Taxidermy stuff hush hush.  Threads were deleted, people were told not to mention the negative stuff, etc...   It probably resulted in other members getting screwed over by her.  Eventually the truth surfaced and HW stopped trying to protect her.   I can see the similarities with this outfitter and everyone tippy toeing around the subject.

We're not trying to protect anyone. The forum has been threatened by lawsuits from this guy multiple times. Unless you want to fire up a savings account to assist with lawyer costs, please try and understand. We don't have the budget to be dealing with that so this is the best we can do.

Sounds like you are trying to protect something.  That being the forum and its members.  I'm not saying what you guys are doing is wrong, but it certainly isn't helping with the potential truths and experiences surrounding this outfitter.  By all means do what Is needed to ensure you CYA.

Ya, I guess you could say we're protecting the forum. Until this place takes off and we all become millionaires off the proceeds, we'll do what we have to do.
It's weird to me that the Michelle Nelson thing comes up and not other topics that actually did bring threats of lawsuits.

Keep the money flowing in and you admin will be the next millionaires of WA.   


I just brought up MNT because it was an example of a poorly run business not getting the proper publicity to prevent future customers from getting screwed.   I am unaware of the HW inner circle lawsuit threats.

The business my relative founded bought up a chain of shops that after the founder passed away the sons, actually one son, had, over a decade ruined the reputation on.  They ran it under the old name long enough to clean up the image before rebadging them and bringing them under the corporate umbrella. 

[Rainier10]

I agree Miles.  There's probably a way to wordsmith the review of the outfitter in question to keep any legal claim baseless and give other members a heads up.

I am sure there is and in reality this thread didn't take off like others in the past.  I think we are a little gun shy right now and want to make sure nothing flares up.  Because of that I would be very careful of how anything about said *censored* guide service gets presented.

There are two big problems with threads about this particular outfitter. Number one and most important is it puts the site owner in a position, right or wrong, of having to possibly defend himself legally.

Number two is threads like this have to watched by the mod team more than other threads so that a tight leash can be kept on comments to prevent the number one problem, a lawsuit, from happening.

It then becomes a risk versus reward.  Is it worth having the chance of a lawsuit and the extra mod time on one particular thread or is it easier to just lock it or delete it?

[Taco280AI]

What exactly is the threat of lawsuit by saying X outfitter is buying land in NE WA? There is nothing to sue for. Nothing bad was said, no accusations, no opinions, nothing that potentially can harm the outfitters name or reputation in any way 

[jackelope]

What exactly is the threat of lawsuit by saying X outfitter is buying land in NE WA? There is nothing to sue for. Nothing bad was said, no accusations, no opinions, nothing that potentially can harm the outfitters name or reputation in any way 

It's the spinoff from his name being mentioned that would result if names were mentioned. It's not worth the time Dale or the other mods would have to spend or the potential financial risk to him. We're not taking that chance, so let it rest.

[Rainier10]

What exactly is the threat of lawsuit by saying X outfitter is buying land in NE WA? There is nothing to sue for. Nothing bad was said, no accusations, no opinions, nothing that potentially can harm the outfitters name or reputation in any way 

It's the spinoff from his name being mentioned that would result if names were mentioned. We're not taking that chance, so let it rest.

Beat me to it, man you are fast.  I was quoting my explanation of why I did what I did from page two.

FWIW I am just as frustrated that we can't list the name, unfortunately it's just not worth the hassle.

[jackelope]

What exactly is the threat of lawsuit by saying X outfitter is buying land in NE WA? There is nothing to sue for. Nothing bad was said, no accusations, no opinions, nothing that potentially can harm the outfitters name or reputation in any way 

It's the spinoff from his name being mentioned that would result if names were mentioned. We're not taking that chance, so let it rest.

Beat me to it, man you are fast.  I was quoting my explanation of why I did what I did from page two.

FWIW I am just as frustrated that we can't list the name, unfortunately it's just not worth the hassle.

Me too.

[DaveMonti]

I could care less who buys the land. But when someone with his reputation buys it, thats a different story. Pretty sure he has worn out his welcome in one place so he is moving on to another. This is no secret.

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I really love this. 

"I don't care.  Except when I do care."  Nothing like a good contradiction to establish credibility.