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At what point do we outlaw fish finders, using electronics to put the bait in the face of the fish! Rangefinders that tell us how far the animal is so we know exactly how to compensate? Rifles that used to shoot accurate to 300 yards and now up to a mile! This list goes on but I think the point has been made many times already, all hunters are already utilizing equipment that makes them far more efficient than a camera that sends pictures to a cell phone. It's not that I am opposed to any of those items, I'm merely using them as an example of the hypocrisy of this topic.
here's part of the questionnaire you need to answer when submitting a trophy to B&C, underlined an interesting part. im not the only one holding these opinions, you guys find this group to be against you has a hunter?For the purpose of entry into the Boone and Crockett Club’s® records, North American big game harvested by the use of the following methods or under the following conditions are ineligible: I. Spotting or herding game from the air, followed by landing in its vicinity for the purpose of pursuit and shooting; II. Herding or chasing with the aid of any motorized equipment; III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter; IV. Confined by artificial barriers, including escape‑proof fenced enclosures; V. Transplanted for the purpose of commercial shooting; VI. By the use of traps or pharmaceuticals; VII. While swimming, helpless in deep snow, or helpless in any other natural or artificial medium; VIII. On another hunter’s license; IX. Not in full compliance with the game laws or regulations of the federal government or of any state, province, territory, or tribal council on reservations or tribal lands;
I know exactly who B&C are as an organization. and they are highly recognized as the leaders in hunting and fair chase. to elude at dismissing there stance on issues because there "a private record keeping origination " is once again a weak point to stand on. they have shaped hunting and conservation in this country from a time when there was no regulation and real threat of loosing resources was apparent. I under stand my opinion meaning nothing, im nobody. but you may want to at least entertain where an organization like B&C is coming form and why. if you really care about the topic that is.
Quote from: bearpaw on June 09, 2017, 10:08:45 AMAt what point do we outlaw fish finders, using electronics to put the bait in the face of the fish! Rangefinders that tell us how far the animal is so we know exactly how to compensate? Rifles that used to shoot accurate to 300 yards and now up to a mile! This list goes on but I think the point has been made many times already, all hunters are already utilizing equipment that makes them far more efficient than a camera that sends pictures to a cell phone. It's not that I am opposed to any of those items, I'm merely using them as an example of the hypocrisy of this topic.I think the answer is possibly "never", but I don't think we should shy away from having discussions on them. There are options between banning everything, and restricting nothing.
all hunters are already utilizing equipment that makes them far more efficient than a camera that sends pictures to a cell phone. It's not that I am opposed to any of those items, I'm merely using them as an example of the hypocrisy of this topic.
Quote from: lord grizzly on June 09, 2017, 10:13:42 AMhere's part of the questionnaire you need to answer when submitting a trophy to B&C, underlined an interesting part. im not the only one holding these opinions, you guys find this group to be against you has a hunter?For the purpose of entry into the Boone and Crockett Club’s® records, North American big game harvested by the use of the following methods or under the following conditions are ineligible: I. Spotting or herding game from the air, followed by landing in its vicinity for the purpose of pursuit and shooting; II. Herding or chasing with the aid of any motorized equipment; III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter; IV. Confined by artificial barriers, including escape‑proof fenced enclosures; V. Transplanted for the purpose of commercial shooting; VI. By the use of traps or pharmaceuticals; VII. While swimming, helpless in deep snow, or helpless in any other natural or artificial medium; VIII. On another hunter’s license; IX. Not in full compliance with the game laws or regulations of the federal government or of any state, province, territory, or tribal council on reservations or tribal lands;I think you are missing a nuance in their rules. A hunter on the mountain with a 2 way radio kills a big B&C Bull. Is the bull allowed into the record books? Yes, unless the hunter used the 2 way radio to harvest this bull. He's not banned from having a 2 way radio, or a cell phone, he's just not allowed to use it to kill the bull. If I go out tonight and kill a B&C bear on a site I have my wireless trail camera on, I'm still allowed to enter it in the books, unless I used that trail camera to kill that bear. If I plan on going out tonight and I sit there from 5 pm until 9 pm and kill a bear on that site, it is still eligible for the book. Now if I was sitting in my truck in between my three bait sites, waiting for the bear to show up at whichever site popped up on my cell phone, then that would be unethical and would not be eligible for the book. I can ride a ATV into my hunting area and kill a book animal and it is legal in the eyes of B&C, but once I start to herd animals or chase them down, then it's no longer eligible. We don't ban ATVs for hunting because someone might use them illegally.....
Quote from: Machias on June 09, 2017, 10:49:12 AMQuote from: lord grizzly on June 09, 2017, 10:13:42 AMhere's part of the questionnaire you need to answer when submitting a trophy to B&C, underlined an interesting part. im not the only one holding these opinions, you guys find this group to be against you has a hunter?For the purpose of entry into the Boone and Crockett Club’s® records, North American big game harvested by the use of the following methods or under the following conditions are ineligible: I. Spotting or herding game from the air, followed by landing in its vicinity for the purpose of pursuit and shooting; II. Herding or chasing with the aid of any motorized equipment; III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter; IV. Confined by artificial barriers, including escape‑proof fenced enclosures; V. Transplanted for the purpose of commercial shooting; VI. By the use of traps or pharmaceuticals; VII. While swimming, helpless in deep snow, or helpless in any other natural or artificial medium; VIII. On another hunter’s license; IX. Not in full compliance with the game laws or regulations of the federal government or of any state, province, territory, or tribal council on reservations or tribal lands;I think you are missing a nuance in their rules. A hunter on the mountain with a 2 way radio kills a big B&C Bull. Is the bull allowed into the record books? Yes, unless the hunter used the 2 way radio to harvest this bull. He's not banned from having a 2 way radio, or a cell phone, he's just not allowed to use it to kill the bull. If I go out tonight and kill a B&C bear on a site I have my wireless trail camera on, I'm still allowed to enter it in the books, unless I used that trail camera to kill that bear. If I plan on going out tonight and I sit there from 5 pm until 9 pm and kill a bear on that site, it is still eligible for the book. Now if I was sitting in my truck in between my three bait sites, waiting for the bear to show up at whichever site popped up on my cell phone, then that would be unethical and would not be eligible for the book. I can ride a ATV into my hunting area and kill a book animal and it is legal in the eyes of B&C, but once I start to herd animals or chase them down, then it's no longer eligible. We don't ban ATVs for hunting because someone might use them illegally.....we keep saying the same thing and you keep telling me how wrong I am.
Quote from: singleshot12 on June 09, 2017, 06:14:41 AMI guess the question should be - - where do we draw the line on electronic technology associated with hunting big game? You would think cell trail cams would cross that line For me they don't cross the line because I think they will really not create the kind of advantage that some seem to believe.... but I can understand the argument against them...I just think the concerns aren't based in the same reality that I live in where animals don't wait around for me to show up and even if they do I'm not likely to stalk up on them successfully (not that I would ever use them in that capacity in the first place... I'd even be in favor of some kind of delay in the send/receipt of the photo..... I wouldn't desire immediate pictures.....but getting pictures without having to disturb the area and stress the animals is a good thing)..... I'll probably never use them in the Northwest....However, I'm strongly opposed to removing trail cam use during the season (like Montana does) as has been proposed....and even though I probably won't use them in the NW I'm not in favor of restricting them for those who do enjoy their use.... If I thought it gave some kind of real advantage that resulted in an unfair chase then I would oppose them.
I guess the question should be - - where do we draw the line on electronic technology associated with hunting big game? You would think cell trail cams would cross that line