DFW Revised 2009-11 Proposals are up

[dreamingbig]

I am not surprised that they didn't listen to logic; they simply aren't capable. I have absolutely ZERO faith in the game department.  They don't even know how to calculate statistics.  The fact that they still think that archery hunters have the highest success rate is absurd.  It absolutely isn't true.

I have a vote of NO CONFIDENCE.  Anyone else care to join me?

See you in Ellensburg.   

[bobcat]

The fact that they still think that archery hunters have the highest success rate is absurd.  It absolutely isn't true.

Just wondering how you can know more about the success rates than the WDFW does? They have all the data, you don't. Seems like a silly statement to me. I'm not sure why they would make up statistics. I can completely see how archery hunters have higher success rates. They are allowed to take either sex deer and elk in most of the units, and deer and elk seasons are open at the same time. That gives the archery hunters much more opportunity to be successful so it only makes sense that their success rates would be higher.

[Machias]

I would imagine he's using WDFW on figures to back up his claim, resource allocation is working.  You can completely see how archers have higher success rates??  Your calling his statement silly and then you post your thread?

Elk: 2003-07

Total Hunters: 273,118

User group size:

Archery: 52,083 - 19.07%
M/F: 181,584 - 66.49%
M/L: 39,451 - 14.44%

Total Elk harvest: 36,827 - % of harvest

Archery: 7,080 - 19.23%
M/F: 23,242 - 63.11%
M/L: 6,505 - 17.66%


Deer: 2003-007

Total Hunters: 492,163

User group size:

Archery: 62,730 - 12.75%
M/F: 395,457 - 80.35%
M/L: 33,976 - 6.9%

There has been a lot of talk about the proposed season setting changes. So I thought I would post the numbers for resource allocation. When the proportions are within 3% of one another the WDFW considers the goal met. The numbers clearly show that resource allocation is working.

Total Deer harvest: 173,406 - % of harvest

Archery: 19,727 - 11.38%
M/F: 142,195 - 82.0%
M/L: 11,484 - 6.62%

[bobcat]

Yes, archery hunters DO have higher success rates in some regions, other regions maybe not, but still right up there with modern firearm. He wasn't talking about the resource allocation numbers, he said "success rate."  In region 1, archery had a 31.0% success rate, modern firearm was 29.7%. Region 2 was 23.2% for archery, and 17.2% for modern firearm. This is for deer.

For elk the 2007 harvest report shows:

                  Modern       Archery
Region 1          5.0              7.6
Region 3          6.3              6.5
Region 5          8.1             13.7
Region 6          8.7             12.7


It sure looks to me like archery hunters have a higher success rate. I don't understand how anybody could say otherwise, unless you have some data that the WDFW doesn't have.   

BTW, what did you mean by this: 

Your calling his statement silly and then you post your thread?

I'm not sure which thread you're referring to that I posted?

[Machias]

Did you look at the statewide figures?  Or just cherry pick the Regions you wanted to use?  The harvest stats are supposed to be driven by the Resource Allocation stats...at least that is my understanding.  If I'm wrong enlighten me.  You called the guy's statement silly and then post what was in my opinion a silly reasoning, that's all.

[bobcat]

I cherry picked the deer success rates, and with the elk I posted the only 4 regions that have significant elk numbers.