Bump Stocks

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Don't believe the AR Bump stock at all.

I don't think that video is using the real audio from Las Vegas. The video from the taxi had much less consistent gunfire.

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Figured you'd deny what's solid evidence.  The taxi clip is not used for overlay in this video. The shooting went on for minutes. This video only used a long volley of rounds to compare the rate of fire. The sound clip used is from the same video on the left of the screen. I knew when I first heard the gunfire it was a lmg and I knew there was two shooting locations hundreds of yards apart at least.  Loud gunfire then quiet gunfire hundreds of yards away.  If you believe the FBI when they tell you on shooter ar anything bump fire or not then your a sheep. But you've proven that time and again and I have little faith you'll ever try to be diplomatic on topics so your opinion has little weight.

You really think two shooters including a belt fed machine gun would have only killed 50-60 people in a crowd of 22,000? 11-12 minutes of shooting?

Nice first post!  Welcome to the site!    I believe what I hear and see with my eyes from the undisputable video evidence...  Please provide something that disputes the proof that has been recorded by hundreds.  You really think that much killing was done with a AR-15 on some cheap $250.00 bump stock???  The rate of fire is way off.  The multiple gunshots going off at different distances is undisputable.  Please give me your analysis of what you hear and see in the above three videos...  I'm dying to hear this.  If youyr a paid troll to discredit theory's by conservatives like me, you have a big battle on your hands cause the videos have all been saved.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

43 seconds into the video long volley of distant gunfire.  No echo about it.  Then the up close gunfire.  Two shooters for sure. 

[Special T]

The video is good scientific evidence and is much harder to dispute than the trained ear of those whom have actually been shot at... both of which draw doubt on the B'S that has been peddled to us so far..

At first I thought it was the bump stop guns, because I have been around when they have been used, but I was quickly purswaded this wasn't the case by those whom have been shot at and can tell you what the gun is, and where it's likely coming from going to by the sound.

[huntnphool]

43 seconds into the video long volley of distant gunfire.  No echo about it.  Then the up close gunfire.  Two shooters for sure.

 Couldn't that be firing out one window facing 90* away and the second volley moving to the other window and firing in the direction of the video?

[weatherbow21]

Don't believe the AR Bump stock at all.

I don't think that video is using the real audio from Las Vegas. The video from the taxi had much less consistent gunfire.

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Figured you'd deny what's solid evidence.  The taxi clip is not used for overlay in this video. The shooting went on for minutes. This video only used a long volley of rounds to compare the rate of fire. The sound clip used is from the same video on the left of the screen. I knew when I first heard the gunfire it was a lmg and I knew there was two shooting locations hundreds of yards apart at least.  Loud gunfire then quiet gunfire hundreds of yards away.  If you believe the FBI when they tell you on shooter ar anything bump fire or not then your a sheep. But you've proven that time and again and I have little faith you'll ever try to be diplomatic on topics so your opinion has little weight.

You really think two shooters including a belt fed machine gun would have only killed 50-60 people in a crowd of 22,000? 11-12 minutes of shooting?

Nice first post!  Welcome to the site!    I believe what I hear and see with my eyes from the undisputable video evidence...  Please provide something that disputes the proof that has been recorded by hundreds.  You really think that much killing was done with a AR-15 on some cheap $250.00 bump stock???  The rate of fire is way off.  The multiple gunshots going off at different distances is undisputable.  Please give me your analysis of what you hear and see in the above three videos...  I'm dying to hear this.  If youyr a paid troll to discredit theory's by conservatives like me, you have a big battle on your hands cause the videos have all been saved.

Thank you. I was a long term member before, I apparently forgot my password so just made a new account. I quit coming on here because of internet experts like you, but I still come on and lurk around hunting season to see how others are doing, this topic peaked my interest.

I've read plenty of threads with your hard headed comments, and don't need to get into any argument with you, I simply stated my opinion and stand by it. It is not far fetched to me, for a guy with several ARs equipped with bump fire stocks and stacks of 60 round mags to fire 600 rounds (only 10 mag changes) in the neighborhood of 11 minutes. A trained expert (like yourself) could have killed thousands; a scary thought.

[fowl smacker]

I'll toss in my  .  I have owned a bump fire (slide fire brand) stock.  Ended up selling it long ago because it was pretty much worthless for anything besides wasting money on ammo.  The sound of the shots on any of the videos from the Vegas shooting is NOT from a bump or slide fire stock.  Not even close!  I'm no forensic firearm expert, but I can tell you from shooting experience.  If this wasn't a step toward taking other gun rights away, I'd say so what for trying to ban bump fire stocks, but this is only the begining!

[Stein]

CBS is reporting he used the freight elevators.

[Fl0und3rz]

Which is what Steve Wynn suggested several days ago. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Within the room is far fetched.  The guy running to the other room is even more far fetched.  50 yards down the building is not going to be that soft of a thud.  it would still be very loud.  The video evidence is undisputable and if questions aren't answered a lot more people will be watching alex jones and distrusting the feds. 

You are obviously convinced of this opinion, and you are entitled to be so.  I have seen so many conspiracy theories thrown about on this, and on other instances, by so-called experts using limited bodies of evidence, that I prefer to retain an open mind until all trustworthy evidence forecloses all but one or two reasonable explanations.  We are not there yet, not by a long shot.

[Stein]

Which is what Steve Wynn suggested several days ago.

10 suitcases were found in his room, to me that suggests he made more than one trip to the hotel as all reports reference a "car" which wouldn't hold the 10 suitcases in his room plus an additional suitcase and duffel bag found in his car.

Another question I haven't seen asked is why he was in the Mandalay and not the Luxor which is directly across the street from the concert and would have cut a good 100 yards off the north end of the venue.  He gambled a ton and had money to spend, he could have gotten a room comped there just as easily.  They note him scouting out multiple other events along with the 10 suitcases and cameras suggests this wasn't a spur of the moment thing.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Within the room is far fetched.  The guy running to the other room is even more far fetched.  50 yards down the building is not going to be that soft of a thud.  it would still be very loud.  The video evidence is undisputable and if questions aren't answered a lot more people will be watching alex jones and distrusting the feds. 

You are obviously convinced of this opinion, and you are entitled to be so.  I have seen so many conspiracy theories thrown about on this, and on other instances, by so-called experts using limited bodies of evidence, that I prefer to retain an open mind until all trustworthy evidence forecloses all but one or two reasonable explanations.  We are not there yet, not by a long shot.

That's a very level headed way to think about it. I am still in disbelief.

Don't believe the AR Bump stock at all.

I don't think that video is using the real audio from Las Vegas. The video from the taxi had much less consistent gunfire.

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Figured you'd deny what's solid evidence.  The taxi clip is not used for overlay in this video. The shooting went on for minutes. This video only used a long volley of rounds to compare the rate of fire. The sound clip used is from the same video on the left of the screen. I knew when I first heard the gunfire it was a lmg and I knew there was two shooting locations hundreds of yards apart at least.  Loud gunfire then quiet gunfire hundreds of yards away.  If you believe the FBI when they tell you on shooter ar anything bump fire or not then your a sheep. But you've proven that time and again and I have little faith you'll ever try to be diplomatic on topics so your opinion has little weight.

You really think two shooters including a belt fed machine gun would have only killed 50-60 people in a crowd of 22,000? 11-12 minutes of shooting?

Nice first post!  Welcome to the site!    I believe what I hear and see with my eyes from the undisputable video evidence...  Please provide something that disputes the proof that has been recorded by hundreds.  You really think that much killing was done with a AR-15 on some cheap $250.00 bump stock???  The rate of fire is way off.  The multiple gunshots going off at different distances is undisputable.  Please give me your analysis of what you hear and see in the above three videos...  I'm dying to hear this.  If youyr a paid troll to discredit theory's by conservatives like me, you have a big battle on your hands cause the videos have all been saved.

Thank you. I was a long term member before, I apparently forgot my password so just made a new account. I quit coming on here because of internet experts like you, but I still come on and lurk around hunting season to see how others are doing, this topic peaked my interest.

I've read plenty of threads with your hard headed comments, and don't need to get into any argument with you, I simply stated my opinion and stand by it. It is not far fetched to me, for a guy with several ARs equipped with bump fire stocks and stacks of 60 round mags to fire 600 rounds (only 10 mag changes) in the neighborhood of 11 minutes. A trained expert (like yourself) could have killed thousands; a scary thought.

 Sounds very obvious to many as well as myself. No science degree needed to hear distant shots before very close gunfire and know that's not how echos work. 

Had many people who have used the m240 bravo extensively agree that was the gun used.  Watch the video at the two spots I mentioned and tell me your opinion...  instead you don't even take the time to listen and tell me what you think is being heard.  43 seconds. Far away long volley of machine gun fire. Seconds later up close very close.  Exact opposite of how echos work.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Don't believe the AR Bump stock at all.

I don't think that video is using the real audio from Las Vegas. The video from the taxi had much less consistent gunfire.

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Figured you'd deny what's solid evidence.  The taxi clip is not used for overlay in this video. The shooting went on for minutes. This video only used a long volley of rounds to compare the rate of fire. The sound clip used is from the same video on the left of the screen. I knew when I first heard the gunfire it was a lmg and I knew there was two shooting locations hundreds of yards apart at least.  Loud gunfire then quiet gunfire hundreds of yards away.  If you believe the FBI when they tell you on shooter ar anything bump fire or not then your a sheep. But you've proven that time and again and I have little faith you'll ever try to be diplomatic on topics so your opinion has little weight.

You really think two shooters including a belt fed machine gun would have only killed 50-60 people in a crowd of 22,000? 11-12 minutes of shooting?

With the amount of bullets fired I think the kill and injury count was accurately depicted.  Does an m240 bravo in 5.56 kill more firing 600 rounds than an AR-15 fireing the same amount of rounds?  The rate of fire is FASTER on an ar-15 in 5.56 with a bump stock.  I'd say same amount of lead down field same chance of hitting people.  The slower rate of fire might make it a little easier to keep aim.  I do think he could have shot more if he was using the m240b than he did but who really knows what happened. It's clear to me it's not what we are being told.  Do you have another theory for the slower rate of fire?  Cause anyone who's shot an ar w bump knows that's not the sound made. And anyone I've spoke with that had any m240b action claimed that was the culprit. Go find a m240 video of your own.  Compare it to the long volley of rounds in Vegas.

[Fl0und3rz]

Yeah, that video that is ten minutes long, within the first ten seconds you are hearing echo, live fire, echo.  He started the vid after the first instance of fire, and he only caught the echo for that volley.

As far as rate of fire of a bump stock AR, it would depend on a lot of things, including ammo, how it's gassed, buffer and spring, trigger (perhaps), the bump stock, resilience or springiness of the grip, etc.  I am not surprised that a bump stock AR might cone close to 600 RPM.

[fowl smacker]

All they need to do is find some of the shot bullets either from people or lying around where people were being shot to figure out what gun was being used.  A .223 or 5.56 is going to be substantially smaller than that of the 7.62 round fired from the m240 machine gun.  Basic forensics should be able to tell this.  Obvioulsy if they find that nothing but 7.62 bullets killed people, then the bump stock theory that all the left wing democrats want us to believe in will be known as a hoax.  Will we ever find out this info?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Yeah, that video that is ten minutes long, within the first ten seconds you are hearing echo, live fire, echo.  He started the vid after the first instance of fire, and he only caught the echo for that volley.

As far as rate of fire of a bump stock AR, it would depend on a lot of things, including ammo, how it's gassed, buffer and spring, trigger (perhaps), the bump stock, resilience or springiness of the grip, etc.  I am not surprised that a bump stock AR might cone close to 600 RPM.

47 seconds. No loud burst before your "echo" 1:09 very loud burst very close. Exact opposite of echo. Two shooters. From 40-47 you hear no shots. Then long volley from 47-57 at a far distance, then 1:09 loud very loud.  Seems simple. Loud before echo. Atleast listen to those time frames in the video.