More blood and guts

[Duckslayer89]

I would wager a large sum that way more poaching kills occur with non natives than those kills legally by natives under their treaty.  Because it is not necessary for the natives to hide themselves due to their treaty rights and non native poaching goes hidden or attempted so because it is illegal.  Spend enough time on the peninsula around Aberdeen/Shelton or in the NE up by Colville/Republic and you will be certain that my wager will pay.

Although I am sick of the constant squawking about the natives treaty it is a small price to pay for what happened and how it happened to their ancestors.  Predators and non native poachers have a serious impact on the game population, the regular native killed elk at a feed lot out in the open or native guy that kills a dozen a year, not so much.

And who the heck is Aaron, are we using his forum name or his personal name like the inner hunt WA circle likes to do?

I’m sick of people crying about what happened to their ancestors. It was wrong I get it. But it’s happened to every race of people in all areas of the world at some point. I don’t see everyone else getting special privileges out of it

[Jpmiller]

I would wager a large sum that way more poaching kills occur with non natives than those kills legally by natives under their treaty.  Because it is not necessary for the natives to hide themselves due to their treaty rights and non native poaching goes hidden or attempted so because it is illegal.  Spend enough time on the peninsula around Aberdeen/Shelton or in the NE up by Colville/Republic and you will be certain that my wager will pay.

Although I am sick of the constant squawking about the natives treaty it is a small price to pay for what happened and how it happened to their ancestors.  Predators and non native poachers have a serious impact on the game population, the regular native killed elk at a feed lot out in the open or native guy that kills a dozen a year, not so much.

And who the heck is Aaron, are we using his forum name or his personal name like the inner hunt WA circle likes to do?

I’m sick of people crying about what happened to their ancestors. It was wrong I get it. But it’s happened to every race of people in all areas of the world at some point. I don’t see everyone else getting special privileges out of it

They negotiated their special priveledge with our government. Why should they not get what they negotiated for?

[PlateauNDN]

Whos crying? I'm not. I'm discussing my rights and why I have them. Yes, atrocities happen to every race, but why should I give up mine if we negotiated for them?

[farmin4u_98948]

DUCKSLAYER 89.  Right or wrong. Treaties are legal documents.  How do you feel about the 2 nd amendment    There are people who think that our ancestors wrote that law but it shouldn't apply now because it's a different era.  Just because you don't like a law or treaty doesn't mean it should be discarded 

[Rainier10]

DUCKSLAYER 89.  Right or wrong. Treaties are legal documents.  How do you feel about the 2 nd amendment    There are people who think that our ancestors wrote that law but it shouldn't apply now because it's a different era.  Just because you don't like a law or treaty doesn't mean it should be discarded

You are spot on with this point of view.  Basically the same thing and none of us are willing to give up our 2A rights.

Now have they been restricted as times have changed?  Yes.  Is it worth looking at restricting the native harvest or at least tracking it better?  Maybe.  Every time legislation comes out to restrict 2A rights (bump stops or something like that) do we fight it?  Yes.  Is there generally a compromise?  Yes.

Hopefully a compromise can be reached on the native harvest.

And for the millionth time I still think that non native harvest and predators have a more significant effect on game populations than native harvest.

[PlateauNDN]

So that allows rumors (unrepresented info) to become acceptable?

It doesn’t disallow people to talk. All kinds of gossip goes on on forums.

Forum rules state...

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, name calling, belittling, threatening, unproven accusations, trashes topics or other members, trashes the forum, intentionally instigates trouble, obscene, profanity or intended profanity, sexually oriented, adult material, invasive of a person's privacy, or in violation of any International, State, or United States Federal law. You

How fine is the line between gossip and spreading false information? Defamatory? Inaccurate?
I don't know these people, but I do know how I feel about unsubstantiated rumors and grudges.

It’s posted on his own Facebook page apparently.
I’m not sure what you’re saying.  There is no doubt the guy sells jerky. He’s wide open about it. And that’s all that was brought up.

If Aaron wants to come back and civilly discuss this without cursing and swearing and calling people names, I’m wide open to discussing with the other mods and admins about lifting his ban. Traditionally he’s not been able to do that.

Food for thought, maybe we can save the discussion regarding this certain member for when he is able to return and provide a rebuttal?

I'm not defending him, but I for one do not like someone trashing my name when they don't know a thing about me.

Those that talk about others really have know clue about them unless they speak to them face to face or in this case on the forum.

I know I've been spoken about and name trashed, but does it benefit me or anybody around me to stoop to that persons level in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem?

No, not really. I may not always agree, but I'm not going to stand on the sidelines while as a whole, a people, a tribe we are bashed carelessly, thoughtlessly and recklessly by others.

[JimmyHoffa]

DUCKSLAYER 89.  Right or wrong. Treaties are legal documents.  How do you feel about the 2 nd amendment    There are people who think that our ancestors wrote that law but it shouldn't apply now because it's a different era.  Just because you don't like a law or treaty doesn't mean it should be discarded

I agree, and will add that even with it being a right you still have to police yourself to some degree.  Doesn't mean you have to give anything up (per se).  Like for the 2nd, how many of the anti-gun haters are brought about by people doing really stupid stuff like shooting up in the air in populated areas on New Years or using tracers in a drought in August or shooting down roads for your shooting lanes or walking around the capitol building with guns, trench coats and gas masks or shooting up TVs, computers, appliances and leaving them there?  Kind of the same deal imo.  A handful of people are bringing about the heat for the larger group. 

[Time Immemorial 1855]

I would wager a large sum that way more poaching kills occur with non natives than those kills legally by natives under their treaty.  Because it is not necessary for the natives to hide themselves due to their treaty rights and non native poaching goes hidden or attempted so because it is illegal.  Spend enough time on the peninsula around Aberdeen/Shelton or in the NE up by Colville/Republic and you will be certain that my wager will pay.

Although I am sick of the constant squawking about the natives treaty it is a small price to pay for what happened and how it happened to their ancestors.  Predators and non native poachers have a serious impact on the game population, the regular native killed elk at a feed lot out in the open or native guy that kills a dozen a year, not so much.

And who the heck is Aaron, are we using his forum name or his personal name like the inner hunt WA circle likes to do?

I’m sick of people crying about what happened to their ancestors. It was wrong I get it. But it’s happened to every race of people in all areas of the world at some point. I don’t see everyone else getting special privileges out of it

Im not cryin about what happened, but I wont forget it or let people like you use that against us, the only ones who cry about it seem to be you an your buddys on here, "get over it" is what you all seem to run too an bring up, our rights are reserved by our Treaty, Treaties are supreme law of the LAND......

[Skyvalhunter]

I don't believe you want to go down that road here.

[trophyhunt]

I don't agree with the 2nd amendment being compared to the treaties, that amendment covers all of us who are citizens of this country.  I'd consider Plat, time and the other natives, citizens of this country, especially the one's who joined the military.  We are under constant attack on our 2nd, especially when someone goes on a shooting spree.  Now matter how many elk are killed by one person in a feeding ground or where ever, it only ends up on hunting forums, no attacks on the treaties have ever been made in the news.  For the record, I only put up initials of a certain person, another member that supported him brought up the full name.  The inner circle that know of this guy know that he kills a lot of bulls and he IS known for being the "jerky guy", that is all factual.  The average elk hunter kills a bull once every ten years, the average.  When someone kills two dozen or more a year, that is what we call excessive.  And that is taking advantage of the treaty and shows lack of respect for the herd, Truth.  I agree number wise that probably more non natives poach more animals per year than natives, but you have to consider the much higher number of non natives to natives.  Now if 1% of the population takes X amount of animals, and you compare that with the number of animals each non native takes,  I bet the kill percentage number starts to even out.  This topic is getting tired and boring..........  But I have to chime in when I see people defending this BS.

[PlateauNDN]

As a whole, im defending the whole, not individualism. Now, with that said. Our treaty is always under attack, its just rarely publicized. Recent examples, the states numerous attempts to tax us on petroleum products. Its gone thru 3 different levels of the judicial system amd is now pending the highest level of the land, the supreme court.

[trophyhunt]

As a whole, im defending the whole, not individualism. Now, with that said. Our treaty is always under attack, its just rarely publicized. Recent examples, the states numerous attempts to tax us on petroleum products. Its gone thru 3 different levels of the judicial system amd is now pending the highest level of the land, the supreme court.

Ahh, yeah I never hear of attacks, I can't imagine your treaties ever going away though.  And I absolutely understand you defending your tribe, that is completely understandable.

[Odell]

As a whole, im defending the whole, not individualism. Now, with that said. Our treaty is always under attack, its just rarely publicized. Recent examples, the states numerous attempts to tax us on petroleum products. Its gone thru 3 different levels of the judicial system amd is now pending the highest level of the land, the supreme court.

Good. Everyone should pay some taxes. The fact that the casinos don't pay but benefit from roads and services is maddening

[PlateauNDN]

Our casinos donate a bunch of money annually. The local municipal pd has a ton of new equipment, personnel and funds to provide services all provided by the big bad tribal dollars.

Again, why should we pay? Is it my fault my ancestors were better negotiators and got the better end of the deal?

Why not ask the millioms of illegal immigrants to pay their share? Theyre costing the state and feds billions a year. Not just aid dollars, but the countless lives that are ruined due to identity theft, tax evasion, homicide etc. Etc. Etc.

Wasnt there a recent death of an l.e.o. by an illegal immigrant that was deported twice? Why arent you up in arms about that?

[bobcat]

We are up in arms about all the illegal immigrants, that’s why we have Trump!