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100 percent agree. Plat, you know how many of us value your voice andd perspective.
Quote from: Dan-o on February 01, 2018, 01:17:04 PM100 percent agree. Plat, you know how many of us value your voice andd perspective. I told you Joe!!!
How about we look at it from this angle?Nobody wants to give up their rights. I know if I had the right to hunt longer and for more animals I would not want to give that option up. I also know that I don't want to give up my right to free speech or my right to bear arms.Do I think that there should be some limits on the right to bear arms? Yes, in today's day and age definitely yes. It just makes sense.So if the tribes want to put some sort of limit on what they take based on today's day and age I think that is something that could be addressed without giving up their tribal rights.One more thing that I think is really important is I think there is over harvest by some natives but I would bet a ton of money that there is more over harvest done by non natives. I also believe that we have rules about that over harvest and we are not enforcing them. Just look at the guy from operation cody that many here say was buying elk from natives and selling that. He got home arrest for a few months for being involved in the taking of hundreds if not thousands of game animals. We really need to lobby to have the rules we have enforced better.How about we get our house in order before we get so amped up over what others are doing?
Quote from: Rainier10 on February 01, 2018, 02:33:23 PMHow about we look at it from this angle?Nobody wants to give up their rights. I know if I had the right to hunt longer and for more animals I would not want to give that option up. I also know that I don't want to give up my right to free speech or my right to bear arms.Do I think that there should be some limits on the right to bear arms? Yes, in today's day and age definitely yes. It just makes sense.So if the tribes want to put some sort of limit on what they take based on today's day and age I think that is something that could be addressed without giving up their tribal rights.One more thing that I think is really important is I think there is over harvest by some natives but I would bet a ton of money that there is more over harvest done by non natives. I also believe that we have rules about that over harvest and we are not enforcing them. Just look at the guy from operation cody that many here say was buying elk from natives and selling that. He got home arrest for a few months for being involved in the taking of hundreds if not thousands of game animals. We really need to lobby to have the rules we have enforced better.How about we get our house in order before we get so amped up over what others are doing?Basically the same angle...And thinking there is an overharvest by natives or non-natives is irrelevant, opinions don't matter. Like Plat said, over, and over, and over, there needs to be scientific proof.Which is why we need to REQUIRE harvest reporting for every single hunter, including Tribal hunters.
Quote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on January 31, 2018, 03:36:33 AMQuote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do soOk, so lets talk about selling the game being against your law. let me ask you an honest question then, Do you guys enforce that law? I'll answer that for you, hell no! I'm sure you've heard of the Jerky guy, AW. How much does he make a year on selling jerky? I just saw a facebook photo with him standing in front of a full smoker full of elk meat. And him saying he was all sold out and needs to resupply. What does a guy do with 25 to over 100 bull elk a year, he sells it. How about the tribal members that killed elk and deer weekly and drove to Tacoma to sell it to a big time criminal? Please don't tell me the tribe or the elders didn't know about that one!!!!!!! Be honest here, these are perfectly honest questions, no bashing or racist remarks were said.
Quote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do so
Quote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?
So how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?
Quote from: trophyhunt on January 31, 2018, 06:16:12 AMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on January 31, 2018, 03:36:33 AMQuote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do soOk, so lets talk about selling the game being against your law. let me ask you an honest question then, Do you guys enforce that law? I'll answer that for you, hell no! I'm sure you've heard of the Jerky guy, AW. How much does he make a year on selling jerky? I just saw a facebook photo with him standing in front of a full smoker full of elk meat. And him saying he was all sold out and needs to resupply. What does a guy do with 25 to over 100 bull elk a year, he sells it. How about the tribal members that killed elk and deer weekly and drove to Tacoma to sell it to a big time criminal? Please don't tell me the tribe or the elders didn't know about that one!!!!!!! Be honest here, these are perfectly honest questions, no bashing or racist remarks were said. We can sell jerky legally, but only member to member of any enrolled tribe, I didn't know about these people shooting game and driving to the west side to sell it to said criminals, until I read the book, how would the elders know about these people selling game? I know they'd be very against it, what can the elders do about it? Now riddle me this, why di you guys always bring up the elders in these post? They're not law enforcement, what can the elders do about these select few? If you aren't so racist let's go hunting sometime, invite me over to eat dimner, or just hang out? Not that I would anyways but why don't you instead of instilling your hate on here?
Quote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on February 01, 2018, 04:37:01 PMQuote from: trophyhunt on January 31, 2018, 06:16:12 AMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on January 31, 2018, 03:36:33 AMQuote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do soOk, so lets talk about selling the game being against your law. let me ask you an honest question then, Do you guys enforce that law? I'll answer that for you, hell no! I'm sure you've heard of the Jerky guy, AW. How much does he make a year on selling jerky? I just saw a facebook photo with him standing in front of a full smoker full of elk meat. And him saying he was all sold out and needs to resupply. What does a guy do with 25 to over 100 bull elk a year, he sells it. How about the tribal members that killed elk and deer weekly and drove to Tacoma to sell it to a big time criminal? Please don't tell me the tribe or the elders didn't know about that one!!!!!!! Be honest here, these are perfectly honest questions, no bashing or racist remarks were said. We can sell jerky legally, but only member to member of any enrolled tribe, I didn't know about these people shooting game and driving to the west side to sell it to said criminals, until I read the book, how would the elders know about these people selling game? I know they'd be very against it, what can the elders do about it? Now riddle me this, why di you guys always bring up the elders in these post? They're not law enforcement, what can the elders do about these select few? If you aren't so racist let's go hunting sometime, invite me over to eat dimner, or just hang out? Not that I would anyways but why don't you instead of instilling your hate on here?so, you and your elders never heard about the biggest poaching ring in our state’s history, that was heavily supplied by a yakama tribal member? I have a copy of the book or I will buy you a copy if you send me an address to send it to. Send me a pm. I’ve always thought the elders had a big influence on the tribe? I figured they were held up with the highest respect amongst members? That’s why I bring them up. And this isn’t about racism, it’s on my bucket list to meet up with Joe over a beer and talk. You can come if you want, that’s if your ok to be seen with a white dude.
Quote from: trophyhunt on February 01, 2018, 05:19:38 PMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on February 01, 2018, 04:37:01 PMQuote from: trophyhunt on January 31, 2018, 06:16:12 AMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on January 31, 2018, 03:36:33 AMQuote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do soOk, so lets talk about selling the game being against your law. let me ask you an honest question then, Do you guys enforce that law? I'll answer that for you, hell no! I'm sure you've heard of the Jerky guy, AW. How much does he make a year on selling jerky? I just saw a facebook photo with him standing in front of a full smoker full of elk meat. And him saying he was all sold out and needs to resupply. What does a guy do with 25 to over 100 bull elk a year, he sells it. How about the tribal members that killed elk and deer weekly and drove to Tacoma to sell it to a big time criminal? Please don't tell me the tribe or the elders didn't know about that one!!!!!!! Be honest here, these are perfectly honest questions, no bashing or racist remarks were said. We can sell jerky legally, but only member to member of any enrolled tribe, I didn't know about these people shooting game and driving to the west side to sell it to said criminals, until I read the book, how would the elders know about these people selling game? I know they'd be very against it, what can the elders do about it? Now riddle me this, why di you guys always bring up the elders in these post? They're not law enforcement, what can the elders do about these select few? If you aren't so racist let's go hunting sometime, invite me over to eat dimner, or just hang out? Not that I would anyways but why don't you instead of instilling your hate on here?so, you and your elders never heard about the biggest poaching ring in our state’s history, that was heavily supplied by a yakama tribal member? I have a copy of the book or I will buy you a copy if you send me an address to send it to. Send me a pm. I’ve always thought the elders had a big influence on the tribe? I figured they were held up with the highest respect amongst members? That’s why I bring them up. And this isn’t about racism, it’s on my bucket list to meet up with Joe over a beer and talk. You can come if you want, that’s if your ok to be seen with a white dude.Read my comment again, the elders are held high, but they can not over see everyone, not everyone is our religion either, they have their choice of religion to follow, that is where the elders would come into play, lol I have white friends, also I have been seen with them. Read it a little slower an comprehend what I have said about the book. You just got all bent outta shape about my comment to sit an chat
I also wonder if the state could get real accurate harvest numbers from the yakamas if that would help aleive tention from false numbers being rumored?
