Zinke wants Spokane Tribe compensated for loss of land and lifestyle to Dam

[PlateauNDN]

If you're saying we're all equal and should be to be considered "American" then you can keep it. My ancestors were all separate bands/tribes prior to being "Confederated" and we were still who we are prior to being considered "Americans" by the American Govt.

So I should accept assimilation because you don't like it? No thanks. I'm proud of my service to this country, I'm proud of my service to my community and I'm proud of who I am, but if the line in the sand is drawn at being who I am and yet again having my peoples identity stripped away again and being forced to be "American" then I'm going to do what I do and defend my people, my family and be who I am and not who you want me to be.

[WAcoyotehunter]

If you're saying we're all equal and should be to be considered "American" then you can keep it. My ancestors were all separate bands/tribes prior to being "Confederated" and we were still who we are prior to being considered "Americans" by the American Govt.

So I should accept assimilation because you don't like it? No thanks. I'm proud of my service to this country, I'm proud of my service to my community and I'm proud of who I am, but if the line in the sand is drawn at being who I am and yet again having my peoples identity stripped away again and being forced to be "American" then I'm going to do what I do and defend my people, my family and be who I am and not who you want me to be.

Great post.

I support a sizeable settlement and hope they make the Feds  construct fish passage facilities at Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee dams (then at the smaller dams further up)

[KFhunter]

I don't support a settlement or reparations of any kind. I do support a fish ladder or some way (other than dam removal) to get fish past the dam.


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

We all know treaties hold the weight of the constitution and are the law of the land, so our rights are equal, as the constitution is also the law of the land.

 
All NA's should be thankful that we won and not the British, France or Russia.  No country to my knowledge allows as much rights to a conquered indigenous people as America does.  Not even Canada.   Ask the Inca's, the Mayan's, heck even ask the Aboriginals in Australia how they had it under colonial rule. 
Ask the Siberians and Inuits how it was under Russian rule, then go ask them on our side only a few miles away if they're glad to be American instead of Russian.

So ya, count me as sick of it all.  I didn't kill anyone, none of my ancestors owned slaves or killed Indians that I could find.

If we do hold a new constitutional convention some of these old treaties may be null and void.

[White Pass Outfitters]

And we wonder why our country has such a huge debt. The past is the past, if the whites ,blacks ,Natives or who ever the hell it was didnt stop whatever happened at the time it happened why should my tax dollar pay for it now. 

[trophyhunt]

I don't support a settlement or reparations of any kind. I do support a fish ladder or some way (other than dam removal) to get fish past the dam.




“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

All NA's should be thankful that we won and not the British, France or Russia.  No country to my knowledge allows as much rights to a conquered indigenous people as America does.  Not even Canada.

agreed, and to add to this, how would have non natives been treated if we lost? I’m pretty sure the atrocities would have gone both ways, and what happened to those people that lost land to the tribes when they took land?  I completely understand plats beliefs and wish nothing but good things for him but damn it would be nice to all be on the same playing field.

[KFhunter]

There was never a chance for natives to keep and hold this country, none.  Moot point, but we do know the brutality went both ways before, during and well after the war/s.

[KFhunter]

There seems to be a tribal movement, I've had friends for years and years who are NA...and in the last handful of years they've gone full tribal pride posting meme's galore on FB until I had to unfollow them.  They post this white hate crap on FB, but then when I see them they're all nice and friendly like normal but in my mind I just see all those meme's they just posted 

[Stein]

Nobody alive today had any hand in what happened, but as a country we can decide to let it go or try to make it right at some level.  We took something that didn't belong to us, built a dam and profited for several generations on the use of the river and land.  The proposal amounts to a cost of about 7 cents per US citizen (23/330).  I'm fine with that.

[trophyhunt]

There seems to be a tribal movement, I've had friends for years and years who are NA...and in the last handful of years they've gone full tribal pride posting meme's galore on FB until I had to unfollow them.  They post this white hate crap on FB, but then when I see them they're all nice and friendly like normal but in my mind I just see all those meme's they just posted 

its never racism if the hate is against white people, how about the meme “ my hero’s used to kill white people”. Reverse that meme and see how it goes!!

[KFhunter]

Nobody alive today had any hand in what happened, but as a country we can decide to let it go or try to make it right at some level.  We took something that didn't belong to us, built a dam and profited for several generations on the use of the river and land.  The proposal amounts to a cost of about 7 cents per US citizen (23/330).  I'm fine with that.

exactly, but say we do pay the NA's

how long before the blacks get paid?
mexicans?
chinese?
japanese?

Many Chinese were killed building our RR and Dams and they worked as slaves
We interred Japanese during WWII
We took land from the mexicans

The list of grievances against the US is loooooong.

[trophyhunt]

Nobody alive today had any hand in what happened, but as a country we can decide to let it go or try to make it right at some level.  We took something that didn't belong to us, built a dam and profited for several generations on the use of the river and land.  The proposal amounts to a cost of about 7 cents per US citizen (23/330).  I'm fine with that.

Oh my God, should we have turned around and went back to Europe ? I’ll keep my .07 cents thank you.

[trophyhunt]

Nobody alive today had any hand in what happened, but as a country we can decide to let it go or try to make it right at some level.  We took something that didn't belong to us, built a dam and profited for several generations on the use of the river and land.  The proposal amounts to a cost of about 7 cents per US citizen (23/330).  I'm fine with that.

What about Mexico We took land from them too, should we pay them as well??

[PlateauNDN]

It's the way of life. Every civilization has conquered or is conquered at some point and it's the prevailing civilizations choice to assimilate or destroy them. It just so happens the America Govt chose a third route and decided to negotiate and work with the existing civilizations'.

America and the way some of you think and believe would've been better off exterminating us as a people and they wouldn't have had to deal with us.

The separation of groups wasn't started by us. We are who we are and have been since before the current civilization took over. Unlike other ethnic groups who wave a flag of their homeland and proclaim their pride for immigrating here, we don't have that issue.

I have a lot of the same concerns and frustrations as many as some of you do, but the division always lands at the "Special Rights" that my ancestors fought and died for.

[huntnfmly]

Nobody alive today had any hand in what happened, but as a country we can decide to let it go or try to make it right at some level.  We took something that didn't belong to us, built a dam and profited for several generations on the use of the river and land.  The proposal amounts to a cost of about 7 cents per US citizen (23/330).  I'm fine with that.

Well said Stein

[PlateauNDN]

There seems to be a tribal movement, I've had friends for years and years who are NA...and in the last handful of years they've gone full tribal pride posting meme's galore on FB until I had to unfollow them.  They post this white hate crap on FB, but then when I see them they're all nice and friendly like normal but in my mind I just see all those meme's they just posted 

I can say the same. I've had some spew hate and dislike on here, but when I've met or spoke to them outside of the general forum they're completely different.

Same goes for the real world. I've had some that I called friend and yet talk sh.. and hate the fact that I have certain rights and liberties that they do not. They always follow up with the same statement, "I mean no disrespect...". Oh you don't? But you just did do exactly what you said you didn't do.

My patriotism is probably the same as most here and there's beliefs we probably share but when the issue is assimilate and forget my history then sorry, it isn't happening.