Legal channels to remove the baiting and hound hunting Initiative of the 90s

[TriggerMike]

It seems like there's been more and more anger and outrage about the bear baiting and hound hunting law as of late. Maybe we've finally had enough of a negative ecological impact on our ungulates to finally boil sportsmen over? Good. What are the actual proper legal channels (if there are any) to get this law amended/reversed/removed? Anyone actually know? Is it possible or are we stuck with it forever? If the only way to get it removed is through something the WDFW has to do, then it will obviously never happen, so I'm hoping that's not the case.

[Stein]

Find someone in Olympia to sponsor a bill or use the initiative process to get it on the ballot.

[KFhunter]

The initiative should be illegal as it contained multiple issues on one initiative, I've heard of people using this defense but it seems to be hush hush    and tossed out of court but I don't know for sure 

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Washington#Single-subject_rule

Single-subject rules require that an initiative contain only one issue or subject. Certain states also have single-subject rules for bills passed by the legislature. This page concerns single-subject rules for citizen initiatives, not legislative bills. Another type of rule that is related but different than a single-subject rule is the separate vote requirement, which most often applies to constitutional amendments and requires that only one article or section of law be changed per measure. Since the ultimate intention and outcome of single-subject rules is similar to that of separate-vote requirements, this page covers both rules.

There are 26 states with a process for initiatives, referendums, or both. Of those, 15 have a single-subject rule or separate-vote requirement provisions.

this is the process
https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/initiative%20and%20referenda%20handbook%202017%20.pdf

baiting bears is one issue, running hounds on bears, cats and other species is a separate issue = illegal initiative

[vandeman17]

I almost posted the same question on the other thread but didn't want to derail it. I would be interested in doing something to potentially get the reversal on the ballot, even though I highly doubt the liberal majority would allow it.

[Karl Blanchard]

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[KFhunter]

I almost posted the same question on the other thread but didn't want to derail it. I would be interested in doing something to potentially get the reversal on the ballot, even though I highly doubt the liberal majority would allow it.

the liberal majority, if this were challenged in court properly, would have no choice.  They would have to make a new initiative/s and vote on each item by itself. 

Then we'd loose it all over again 

[vandeman17]

I almost posted the same question on the other thread but didn't want to derail it. I would be interested in doing something to potentially get the reversal on the ballot, even though I highly doubt the liberal majority would allow it.

the liberal majority, if this were challenged in court properly, would have no choice.  They would have to make a new initiative/s and vote on each item by itself. 

Then we'd loose it all over again 

Roger that, I didn't know how the process would fully work but I was thinking it would be basically an initiative to reverse the existing one... Shows how much I know 

[KFhunter]

I-713 is in the same boat

"Shall it be a gross misdemeanor to capture an animal with certain body-gripping traps, or to poison an animal with sodium fluoroacetate or sodium cyanide?"

Poison and Traps = two issues

[TriggerMike]

If people on the Eastside showed up to vote, we could get this reversed. Most counties on the eastside only get 50% voter turnout. We could start by getting the needed signatures there before asking people on the westside. Out front of Cabelas, Sportsmans Warehouse, etc.

[KNOPHISH]

How about an Initiative to eliminate game management from the initiative process & make it retro to remove this one. Game management needs to be science based from the biologists or it just don't work or make any sense.

[Rainier10]

It seems to me the best avenue would be a legal challenge to the original initiative.  going that route you are dealing with the courts not the general public.  doing and initiative and voting is a long shot IMO.

[pianoman9701]

If people on the Eastside showed up to vote, we could get this reversed. Most counties on the eastside only get 50% voter turnout. We could start by getting the needed signatures there before asking people on the westside. Out front of Cabelas, Sportsmans Warehouse, etc.

They showed up the last time. Same with many of us on the wet side. King and Pierce Co.s still swung the vote with misinformation campaigns and not corrections from the DFW. Our political climate is far worse now than in 1996. We might get a temporary reprieve through the courts. But the resulting initiatives would likely contain stronger anti-hunting language, possibly even some firearm limits. Be careful for what you wish.

[vandeman17]

It seems to me the best avenue would be a legal challenge to the original initiative.  going that route you are dealing with the courts not the general public.  doing and initiative and voting is a long shot IMO.

legal challenge would entail legal counsel and thus $$$ correct?

[B4noon]

It may actually be the perfect time to propose a new revised initiative especially as WDFW is starting to meddle in grizzly rehab would make perfect sense to bait and get a positive ID on a bear before shooting and the anti's and the liberals might meet in the middle if they were educated about harvest of bears is going to happen regardless so let's compromise and allow baiting so that there is selective harvest instead of accidently shooting Boo boos mom

[pianoman9701]

It may actually be the perfect time to propose a new revised initiative especially as WDFW is starting to meddle in grizzly rehab would make perfect sense to bait and get a positive ID on a bear before shooting and the anti's and the liberals might meet in the middle if they were educated about harvest of bears is going to happen regardless so let's compromise and allow baiting so that there is selective harvest instead of accidently shooting Boo boos mom

It makes sense to you and I. It would never fly with animal rights groups. They'd come back with a proposal to end all bear hunting to keep the grizzlies safe.