Legal channels to remove the baiting and hound hunting Initiative of the 90s

[KFhunter]

I think the west side has to stew in their own juices for a while longer.

*If* they (we) ever vote in a good conservative governor then I'll have hope for game management rules. 

[Knocker of rocks]

If people on the Eastside showed up to vote, we could get this reversed.

I don't think that the demographics support your basic  thesis

[Blacktail Sniper]

It seems to me the best avenue would be a legal challenge to the original initiative.  going that route you are dealing with the courts not the general public.  doing and initiative and voting is a long shot IMO.

legal challenge would entail legal counsel and thus $$$ correct?

Already been done and lost.  Long read, but the result is at the very bottom of the article, and I believe that is where it stopped:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-court-of-appeals/1091801.html

Also found this:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-court-of-appeals/1077412.html

[Blacktail Sniper]

Probably now is the the best time and highest chance for a change is pushing for a statewide, OTC spring hunt, since something like this would not require any legislative action.

To be honest, fighting the law and/or timber companies is an expensive exercise in frustration.

It is clear, people will pay for access, just look at the fight to get a Vail permit! 

[pianoman9701]

I think the west side has to stew in their own juices for a while longer.

*If* they (we) ever vote in a good conservative governor then I'll have hope for game management rules. 

They like their own juices. It's free juice for many of them. The Ds are growing their voter base with freebies and fairy tales of Utopia and rainbow-colored puppies. These are the same people that will march to the drumbeat of the oppressive government our forefathers warned us about. If you think voting on this now would turn out better than it did 22 years ago, you haven't been paying attention to the northbound CA license plates and spike in patchouli sales. The increase in people who are really ignorant about scientific wildlife management (including in our own DFW) is shocking.

[KFhunter]

I think the west side has to stew in their own juices for a while longer.

*If* they (we) ever vote in a good conservative governor then I'll have hope for game management rules. 

They like their own juices. It's free juice for many of them. The Ds are growing their voter base with freebies and fairy tales of Utopia and rainbow-colored puppies. These are the same people that will march to the drumbeat of the oppressive government our forefathers warned us about. If you think voting on this now would turn out better than it did 22 years ago, you haven't been paying attention to the northbound CA license plates and spike in patchouli sales. The increase in people who are really ignorant about scientific wildlife management (including in our own DFW) is shocking.

Agree, but somewhere down the road there will be pain.  The grasshoppers haven't felt winters chill yet.

[Blacktail Sniper]

It may actually be the perfect time to propose a new revised initiative especially as WDFW is starting to meddle in grizzly rehab would make perfect sense to bait and get a positive ID on a bear before shooting and the anti's and the liberals might meet in the middle if they were educated about harvest of bears is going to happen regardless so let's compromise and allow baiting so that there is selective harvest instead of accidently shooting Boo boos mom

It makes sense to you and I. It would never fly with animal rights groups. They'd come back with a proposal to end all bear hunting to keep the grizzlies safe.

Bottom line would be that the shooter is responsible, no matter what the method/circumstances were, to be certain of the target or not shoot. 

While it may not result in all bear hunting stopped in general, it could certainly stop it in areas "identified" as grizzly zones...

[KFhunter]

lunacy!


or is it?  try to get a spring bear tag for 113 Selkirk....


Look at what WDFW did to night hunting bobcats in lynx recovery zones 

[Blacktail Sniper]

lunacy!


or is it?  spring bear is already prohibited in grizzly areas...

Correct, but it could be easily be extended to fall season is what I was saying... 

And then, have factor in the mindset of the people who are defining grizzly zones and it could impact a lot of areas even if there are not currently any grizzlies there yet, but could/might be.

[KFhunter]

I don't think it'll go that far, if you remember the latest proposals it included a grizzly identification test but no reduction in black bear hunts or hints of reducing hunt opportunities in grizzly zones.

[Blacktail Sniper]

lunacy!


or is it?  try to get a spring bear tag for 113 Selkirk....


Look at what WDFW did to night hunting bobcats in lynx recovery zones 

My point exactly...

[Blacktail Sniper]

I don't think it'll go that far, if you remember the latest proposals it included a grizzly identification test but no reduction in black bear hunts or hints of reducing hunt opportunities in grizzly zones.

For now, or until the first grizzly gets shot....

[KFhunter]

all bets are off, supposedly one lynx got shot at night, so we get a new rule prohibiting night hunting for bobcat

[vandeman17]

all bets are off, supposedly one lynx got shot at night, so we get a new rule prohibiting night hunting for bobcat

Sounds about right to me, especially over the last while 

[KFhunter]

bout done with wa