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Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« on: August 05, 2018, 07:41:14 PM »
I’ve already decided. Just want to hear from the guys who think their .270 Winchester’s have recoil.

Here we go! .375 or .416 Ruger? Eastern WA, Bear, Muley, Elk Rifle. For in the timber to 300 yards or so. 300gr bullet for both. 20” barrel , controlled feed.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2018, 07:43:27 PM »
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2018, 07:49:58 PM »
I don’t think you can go wrong either way. Probably 416 if I was choosing now since I’ve played with a 375 for a few years.

Big bullets are more better!

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2018, 08:05:32 PM »
Big bullets are more better!


They are!





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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2018, 08:07:49 PM »
I had a chance at a 416 weatherby a couple years ago. Looking back it really was too good to pass but by the time I came to my senses someone else grabbed it up.

I still think that 45 rum is sweet!

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2018, 08:12:42 PM »
Hmmmmm. Could a .416 Ruger be capable of 1/2 MOA or less? With ** CRAP 💩 ** Barnes bullets.🙃

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM »
One of each? 

I've been eyeballing the Ruger Guide Gun in 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger.    I'd say 416. 

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 08:55:32 PM »
375

More bullet option and speed incase your 300 yard limit needs to be 500 yards

I have some range time coming up with a 375 ruger and big hammers...should be interesting

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 09:02:47 PM »
375

More bullet option and speed incase your 300 yard limit needs to be 500 yards

I have some range time coming up with a 375 ruger and big hammers...should be interesting

My .375 Ultra’s have me covered for the long stuff. .375 Ultra, bedded into a Mountain Rifle stock. I recall a couple local clowns calling Accubond’s “Accubomb’s”. Furthest from the truth. Picture perfect performance there.👍





560 yards .375 Ultra 260gr AccuBond.






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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 09:15:19 PM »
Ive called them accubombs!  :chuckle:
Doesn’t mean I dislike them any.  I have a few hundred on the bench in .375 300 grain variety.  :tup:

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 09:17:57 PM »
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 09:19:14 PM »
Several years ago I took a mule deer doe on a damage control hunt with my 375 Ruger Guide Gun. I used the factory Hornady 270gr. load. Now I load a Nosler 300gr. Accubonds. I haven't shot anything with the handload yet. Sure it would do the job with a Nosler 300gr. Accubond chronographed at 2590fps out of my Ruger Guide Gun.
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 09:21:53 PM »
375 terminator     For the record nosler sucks 🤮

I enjoy a guy in the know that says something sucks! I respect that but if your ever over this way. I will use cold ones, ribeyes and some awful cute women in booty shorts to convert you, if even for the day!🙃

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 09:26:54 PM »
375 terminator     For the record nosler sucks 🤮

I enjoy a guy in the know that says something sucks! I respect that but if your ever over this way. I will use cold ones, ribeyes and some awful cute women in booty shorts to convert you, if even for the day!🙃
only one nosler product I’ll buy and not cause I like it.  It’s the only bullet my ar likes.  But if you wanna slap some ribeyes down to try and change my mind I’ll have no choice but to give it a shot.   Would definitely need to punch some primers though to work up an appetite after talking about nosler 🙃
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2018, 09:30:12 PM »
375 terminator     For the record nosler sucks 🤮

I enjoy a guy in the know that says something sucks! I respect that but if your ever over this way. I will use cold ones, ribeyes and some awful cute women in booty shorts to convert you, if even for the day!🙃
only one nosler product I’ll buy and not cause I like it.  It’s the only bullet my ar likes.  But if you wanna slap some ribeyes down to try and change my mind I’ll have no choice but to give it a shot.   Would definitely need to punch some primers though to work up an appetite after talking about nosler 🙃

 :tup: :tup:

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 09:49:45 PM »
375

More bullet option and speed incase your 300 yard limit needs to be 500 yards

I have some range time coming up with a 375 ruger and big hammers...should be interesting

My .375 Ultra’s have me covered for the long stuff. .375 Ultra, bedded into a Mountain Rifle stock. I recall a couple local clowns calling Accubond’s “Accubomb’s”. Furthest from the truth. Picture perfect performance there.👍





560 yards .375 Ultra 260gr AccuBond.







Yeah but the 375 isnt exactly a fast handling brush rifle  :tup: I'm really excited for the brush guns with reach...I think it will be an ideal hunting rifle

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 10:20:27 PM »
I know the .416 Ruger is well capable of 400 yards and the .375 further.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 11:36:46 PM »
I have been looking at the .416,mainly because it fills one of my last gaps and the .416 is just sexy!  I had my eye on a well used .416 Rem. Years ago in a Sako 75 and after fondling it for 6 months it sold the day before I came in to buy it. Have still always wanted a 416 and the Ruger is a good one IMO.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2018, 08:04:09 AM »
375

More bullet option and speed incase your 300 yard limit needs to be 500 yards

I have some range time coming up with a 375 ruger and big hammers...should be interesting

My .375 Ultra’s have me covered for the long stuff. .375 Ultra, bedded into a Mountain Rifle stock. I recall a couple local clowns calling Accubond’s “Accubomb’s”. Furthest from the truth. Picture perfect performance there.👍





560 yards .375 Ultra 260gr AccuBond.







Yeah but the 375 isnt exactly a fast handling brush rifle  :tup: I'm really excited for the brush guns with reach...I think it will be an ideal hunting rifle
My favorite “brush gun” is my 375 HH. if I know my shots will be closer that’s typically what I grab  :twocents:

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2018, 10:08:53 AM »
Absolutely love the .375 H&H. My first 6 Elk were with a H&H and a 300gr Hornady BTSP. Crushed them, all shot were from 40-80 yards in the timber.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 10:48:49 AM »
Absolutely love the .375 H&H. My first 6 Elk were with a H&H and a 300gr Hornady BTSP. Crushed them, all shot were from 40-80 yards in the timber.
I killed my Moose and a mule deer with the 300 btsp. They just didn’t shot a shot well as partitions or accubonds in my gun. I also shoot a good amount off 270 grain speers because they are cheap.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 11:50:06 AM »
What bullet would you run from a 416 ??

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2018, 12:08:47 PM »
What bullet would you run from a 416 ??

The 300gr Barnes TSX has a reputation for speed, accuracy and terminal pefromace. For across the board shots. For the in close to mid range heavy hitter shots. I would opt for a 400gr “Sledge Hammer”. Not to over look the 400gr Nosler Partition.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 12:37:43 PM »
Here is the blood trail from a pig shot with a Nosler 400 gn partition at 210 yards from my 416 Weatherby. Epic  :chuckle:

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2018, 12:50:01 PM »
What bullet would you run from a 416 ??

The 300gr Barnes TSX has a reputation for speed, accuracy and terminal pefromace. For across the board shots. For the in close to mid range heavy hitter shots. I would opt for a 400gr “Sledge Hammer”. Not to over look the 400gr Nosler Partition.

I bet Steve could build you a 300ish grain hammer hunter pretty easily....might be worth looking into

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2018, 01:11:41 PM »
What bullet would you run from a 416 ??

The 300gr Barnes TSX has a reputation for speed, accuracy and terminal pefromace. For across the board shots. For the in close to mid range heavy hitter shots. I would opt for a 400gr “Sledge Hammer”. Not to over look the 400gr Nosler Partition.

I bet Steve could build you a 300ish grain hammer hunter pretty easily....might be worth looking into

I may do that. I can’t stand Barnes bullets.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2018, 01:55:16 PM »
The big miss with the 416 Ruger is trying to get factory Ammunition velocity out of that round and barrel length. A velocity of around 2175 with a 400gn bullet will drop anything on the planet and is accurate due to reasonable recoil.
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2018, 02:59:16 PM »
I love the 375 Ruger but I’d have to go 416. I’ve already talked Steve about a 300-325gr Sledgehammer for a short action 416 idea I had and he said it should be pretty easy to make happen.

Since you’re only looking for 300 yards or so the 416 is perfect. I imagine you could get at least .75 MOA with one of the 20” Rugers with a low powered scope using good bullets. If you can’t track down a monometal bullet that works for you there’s always Hawk and Northfork bullets. I used those in a 416 Rigby years ago with excellent results.  :tup:

You’re not thinking of one of the new guide guns are you? Those things are an abomination! Nothing screams “Future scope eye victim” like one of those new guide guns with the removable brake and that horrific rainbow laminate stock. You'd just look like a guy who’s trying to over compensate for owning a Creedmoor by buying a “dangerous game” rifle. Maybe you can mount a Vortex scope on there too.  :chuckle: :stirthepot:
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2018, 03:55:03 PM »
Hmmmmm. How about one of the Ruger stainless/Hogue 20” Alaskan’s in .416 Ruger. The model they don’t make anymore. Frost it with a Leupold 2.5-8 and the kicker! Trade a 6.5 Creeedmoor for the rifle, rings, dies, 400 plus bullet, 300 pieces of brass and it’s already a proven half moa big bore.

Will that work? YES! YES! And YES! Bye, bye Creedmoor.👍 Talked today with Hammer Bullets, they said they would work me up a 300gr and we would go from there. The rifles accuracy load right now is with the 300gr TSX. :puke:




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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2018, 09:08:43 PM »
Hmmmmm. How about one of the Ruger stainless/Hogue 20” Alaskan’s in .416 Ruger. The model they don’t make anymore. Frost it with a Leupold 2.5-8 and the kicker! Trade a 6.5 Creeedmoor for the rifle, rings, dies, 400 plus bullet, 300 pieces of brass and it’s already a proven half moa big bore.

Will that work? YES! YES! And YES! Bye, bye Creedmoor.👍 Talked today with Hammer Bullets, they said they would work me up a 300gr and we would go from there. The rifles accuracy load right now is with the 300gr TSX. :puke:



I should have known you'd have more class than to get one of the new laminate stock models.  :tup:

I have my 375 Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan set up with the same optic in a set of Warne QR rings and it's held zero for about 10 years and probably close to 1000 rounds so far. It's as good a mount system as you can get!

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2018, 12:34:34 PM »
Play time.😊 For some reason I am really looking forward to shooting this rifle. Still at the FFL, he’s on the range. So I have to wait until he gets back home to do the paperwork.

Spoke with the owner in New Jersey for 3 hours or so. He said it was scary accurate.

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I’ll shoot what came with the rifle, until my 300gr Hammers show up. 300gr TSX, 350gr TSX, 400gr Nosler Partition and Speer 350gr Mag-Tips.

Already have powders on hand for it. H4350, RL15, BL-C2, Varget, TAC, Win760, RL17, Varget.





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Here is a 300 yard group the prior owner shot with it using the Barnes 300gr TSX over H4350. Definitely MOA of Bear.   

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2018, 01:12:12 PM »
Looks like a shooter.
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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2018, 01:18:07 PM »
Dang.........!!!

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2018, 06:19:04 PM »
It’s still on the small side of the big bore line up.

Left to right.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2018, 11:53:29 PM »
I haven’t had time for a formal range session. Around here we just make it work. My brother and I were checking the fence and some cattle on the ranch. Decided to play with the .416 Ruger a bit, got a point blank zero. Backed off to 100 yards , shooting off the corner of a ranch truck.

350gr Barnes TSX on top of 83gr of H4350 with a standard federal 215 Mag primer.

First 100 yard 3 shot group. MOA of Black Bear, I’m good for now.  Picked up some 2000-MR powder for the 400gr Nosler Partitions. I’ve never loaded with the powder. From what I have found, it gives top velocities with the heavies.

I do need to get some quick release Warne rings and a different scope. I just made it work with what I had for the time being. My thoughts for a ideal scope would be a Leupold 2.5-8 with a elevation turret.👍









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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2018, 12:35:34 AM »
Well, that'll hunt.       :tup:

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2018, 10:18:31 AM »
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I've been playing with a Leupld S1 dial on my 2.5-8x32 on the 375 Ruger with good results. I don't think they make the 2.5-8 with a CDS option, but I like to buy the CDS model scopes and then just use the MOA dial that comes on there. They're very low profile compared to a lot of other MOA dials.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2018, 10:45:12 AM »
I may give a peep sight a try. Most of my bears at shot at well under 100 yards. A scope isn’t a must.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2018, 12:33:47 PM »


I do need to get some quick release Warne rings and a different scope. I just made it work with what I had for the time being. My thoughts for a ideal scope would be a Leupold 2.5-8 with a elevation turret.👍


I have had good luck with Alaskan Arms LLC quick detach rings on my 375 Ruger Guide Gun with the Leupold VX3 2.5-8X36mm returning to same POA. I also have a New England Custom quick detach Ghost Ring sight for the Guide Gun too.

https://alaskaarmsllc.com/pages/ruger-m77

https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/item_info.asp?Brand_id=6128&ST=NECG%20Ruger%20Ghost%20Ring%20Peep%20Sight#.W3nF9NJKi00
Nothing like a Remington model 700xcr.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2018, 09:44:34 PM »
I may give a peep sight a try. Most of my bears at shot at well under 100 yards. A scope isn’t a must.

https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/Peep_Sights.asp

I've never seen that before. I may have to look into one of those for my 375.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2018, 08:17:45 PM »
I may give a peep sight a try. Most of my bears at shot at well under 100 yards. A scope isn’t a must.

https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/Peep_Sights.asp

I've never seen that before. I may have to look into one of those for my 375.

I have one I have used on my 77/44 and like it, well made and mounts solidly in the proprietary Ruger base.

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Re: Hmmm .375 or .416 Ruger?
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2018, 09:21:50 PM »
I pulled the scope off the .416, much more efficient with open sights for my intended purpose. Also I feel the big bores are much more fun to shoot with open sights. I looked over the rear peep sights several times, couldn’t decide on a which one yet.

 


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