Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[meatwhack]

Ya, well you helping a Native with zero resentment would have been a great start and maybe that Native had a lot of family and could have helped you come to your conclusion with tribal counsel.  But obviously your a person who only wants things his way and you only see it your way, like I stated before why would the Yakama Nation ever work with the State of Washington?  We are their scapegoat to mismanage funds in their government, then people jump on forums and believe the stuff.  And your state game department cares?  They sold 93,167 elk tags just during General Season state wide.  Thats crazy!  with a 7.8% success rate, thats more animals that the Yakama will take in 8-10years.  It's amazing the amount of shame you send our way, and thats with zero poaching rates included.  So really instead of being part of the answer you would choose to keep blaming us?  or our management of animals.  Don't really know what to tell you sir.

If you want to compare apples to apples you have to look at hunter numbers and harvest rates in the ceded lands that the Yakama tribe can hunt not the entire state. If you just compared what most would consider trophy deer and elk in a few units I’d venture to bet the kill numbers would be similar for native vs non native. I believe the reason for this would be the season and weapon restriction differences between the two. I’m not sure how anyone can justify having an unregulated open season on elk in September with a rifle or mule deer in November and December other than the desire for trophy hunting. I wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong with trophy hunting but it’s definitely a far cry from the subsistence hunting that was in the treaties in my opinion.

[idahohuntr]

Treaties don't limit harvest by what kind of animal is taken or how the animal will be used...if at all.

Also, per an earlier question the Yakamas cannot sell a swakane tag to a non tribal member or any other off reservation hunt.  They could sell hunts and tags to non members on reservation lands if they so choose.

As far as all the questions about non tribal help on a sheep hunt...is that legal under Yakama rule/law?  I know the Nez Perce have a law that prohibits non members from accompanying or assisting on hunts unless the non member season is also open and they have a tag.

[meatwhack]

Treaties don't limit harvest by what kind of animal is taken or how the animal will be used...if at all.

Also, per an earlier question the Yakamas cannot sell a swakane tag to a non tribal member or any other off reservation hunt.  They could sell hunts and tags to non members on reservation lands if they so choose.

As far as all the questions about non tribal help on a sheep hunt...is that legal under Yakama rule/law?  I know the Nez Perce have a law that prohibits non members from accompanying or assisting on hunts unless the non member season is also open and they have a tag.

You’re correct in that treaties don’t limit harvest but I believe where the rub comes from most people is the subsistence hunting portion. I guess my interpretation of what is required for subsistence is vastly different than some. The other issue is that the harvest rate has been controlled in some areas by WDFW to create what most would say better hunting if you can draw a permit and a more diversified age structure in the herds. That has also created exceptional hunting for tribal members which is great but for it to continue I really feel it should be managed and somewhat limited but I’m sure that’ll never happen.

[huntnphool]

Treaties don't limit harvest by what kind of animal is taken or how the animal will be used...if at all.

 IIRC, the original context to which this has been spun away from was the numerous threads in the past, where the excuse for several of these "hunts" posted by tribe members was "ceremonial" or "sustenance". The question asked by a few here have been why not cows, ewes or doe rather than head gear?

 Valid questions that "never really" get answered directly, but conveniently spun.

[PlateauNDN]

I've answered many times.

[B4noon]

Regardless of where you stand on this topic one thing we can all agree on is the greedy Jack's that are robbing all of us of resources on both tribal and non tribal side all have one thing in common their lazy opportunist and take the easy prize.  Rather then continue to try and figure a comanagment that neither side will be happy with simply gate roads.  If the abusers on either side want to decimate herds they can work for it instead of easy access and opportunity.  Most poachers and abusers aren't going to hike 500 yds much less a mile or 2 and certainly will have a hard time sneaking out multiple animals in  a single trip.  Push for road closure everyone wins except the greedy lazy ones.  All species will benefit and opportunity will continue to improve for. All that choose to hunt and gather from a subsistence or sporting lifestyle.  I am non tribal and my family identifies as sporting subsistence we hunt for fun family and food

[idahohuntr]

Treaties don't limit harvest by what kind of animal is taken or how the animal will be used...if at all.

 IIRC, the original context to which this has been spun away from was the numerous threads in the past, where the excuse for several of these "hunts" posted by tribe members was "ceremonial" or "sustenance". The question asked by a few here have been why not cows, ewes or doe rather than head gear?

 Valid questions that "never really" get answered directly, but conveniently spun.

They don't need an "Excuse".  They have a treaty right to hunt on all open and unclaimed lands.  The tribe may have wastage rules and other limitations...but there is no need for a tribe to explain their harvest or motivation to anyone.  It could be they enjoy killing 400" bulls more than cows...its their right as guaranteed by treaty.  I don't understand why people care about their motivations. 

[Oh Mah]

I never heard of anything from you plat or Dano on the link i posted about the Constitution.Whats up?  I mean you were both able to ridicule me even after(neither read it) but no response now?Plat you even asked for a source.

Do you agree that the tribes were thought of and were protected by the U.S CONSTITUTION or do you still think i'm just some uneducated person looking for an argument?Just for the record Dano,Only the person that is wrong is arguing.

[meatwhack]

Regardless of where you stand on this topic one thing we can all agree on is the greedy Jack's that are robbing all of us of resources on both tribal and non tribal side all have one thing in common their lazy opportunist and take the easy prize.  Rather then continue to try and figure a comanagment that neither side will be happy with simply gate roads.  If the abusers on either side want to decimate herds they can work for it instead of easy access and opportunity.  Most poachers and abusers aren't going to hike 500 yds much less a mile or 2 and certainly will have a hard time sneaking out multiple animals in  a single trip.  Push for road closure everyone wins except the greedy lazy ones.  All species will benefit and opportunity will continue to improve for. All that choose to hunt and gather from a subsistence or sporting lifestyle.  I am non tribal and my family identifies as sporting subsistence we hunt for fun family and food

For hunting purposes the idea of gating roads and limiting access is great. From a recreational standpoint I’d say it’s not so great. Public land is used for a lot more than hunting so I’m not sure limiting or restricting access to it would be the best move.

[Chiefbigbul]

what is your constitution question ohmah?

[Oh Mah]

I don't have the question.I gave the answer.It was said that the Constitution of the United States had nothing to do with Native Americans or the protection of Native Americans and their rights.

WHAT SAY YOU CHIEFBIGBULL?

[jackelope]

I don't have the question.I gave the answer.It was said that the Constitution of the United States had nothing to do with Native Americans or the protection of Native Americans and their rights.

WHAT SAY YOU CHIEFBIGBULL?

(read his signature line)

[Oh Mah]

 

I don't have the question.I gave the answer.It was said that the Constitution of the United States had nothing to do with Native Americans or the protection of Native Americans and their rights.

WHAT SAY YOU CHIEFBIGBULL?

Yes sir,That's why i said it.
(read his signature line)

[Odell]

.  Push for road closure everyone wins except the greedy lazy ones. 

Except old people, disabled people, kids, new hunters...etc. Fit and dedicated hunters might win. But that's a small percentage of who actually hunts and we can't afford to lose the majority of the few remaining hunters there are.

Close the roads in the winter I would agree with that.

[Chiefbigbul]

i didnt see the link, just got in here yesterday