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State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« on: October 26, 2018, 11:31:30 AM »
http://www.khq.com/story/39366417/state-will-kill-remaining-2-wolves-of-pack-killing-cattle


State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
Posted: Oct 26, 2018 11:25 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 26, 2018 11:25 AM PDT


 

SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state has decided to kill the remaining two wolves from a pack that has repeatedly preyed on cattle in the Kettle River Range of Ferry County.
 
The state Department of Fish and Wildlife says it documented another wolf depredation on Tuesday, bringing the total to 16 attributed to the Old Profanity Territory pack.
 
Agency Director Kelly Susewind on Friday ordered the remaining two wolves killed.
 
The state had earlier killed the other members of the pack, and conducted an evaluation period to see if attacks on cattle would stop.
 
The agency says the rancher has taken steps to deter wolves.
 
The Center for Biological Diversity has criticized the killing of wolves, and says this is the fourth pack the state has decimated to protect the cattle of one rancher.



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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2018, 11:41:44 AM »
Perfect. :tup:

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 11:43:11 AM »
They could probably sell tags for those 2 wolves in a raffle and make some money.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2018, 12:30:09 PM »
This just illustrates why they should never have been reintroduced to begin with. Wolves will do what wolves do. Decimate wild game and domestic livestock. Get it over with and get rid of all of them and save the state and ranchers a bunch of$$$. 

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2018, 03:04:46 PM »
From the WDFW wolf page:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/graphics/pack_map_033018.jpg


https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/


If you open the link the WDFW refers to the Profanity Peak pack as a Former pack.


The wolf map doesn't even show them existing anymore either.

Someone explain how that works to me please.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2018, 03:14:48 PM »
What’s the odds there are some more? They just saying the last two?

Would you bet on those Odds

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2018, 03:16:34 PM »
From the WDFW wolf page:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/graphics/pack_map_033018.jpg


https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/


If you open the link the WDFW refers to the Profanity Peak pack as a Former pack.


The wolf map doesn't even show them existing anymore either.

Someone explain how that works to me please.
Pack has very specific criteria, and is more than just a pair.  Something like a mating pair and so many pups I believe.  So given only 2 are left, it is no longer a pack (In WDFW technical speak)

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2018, 03:23:40 PM »
smoke and mirrors


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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2018, 03:24:00 PM »
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.

Country boy speak:  WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring. 


If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack".  Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.


It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.


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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2018, 05:59:45 PM »
 :tup:

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2018, 08:20:25 PM »
Semantics




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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2018, 12:19:52 PM »
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.

Country boy speak:  WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring. 


If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack".  Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.


It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.

 :yeah: :bash:

Next year won't be any different then this year, same predation same WDFW pretending to want to help while wolves kill more cattle.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2018, 12:20:52 PM »
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.

Country boy speak:  WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring. 


If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack".  Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.


It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.




Unfortunately this is becoming the norm instead of the exception. Ask anyone who understands canine social pack structure. They will tell you there is already a successor waiting in the wings. 

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2018, 09:39:40 PM »
 :yeah: :bash:
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.

Country boy speak:  WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring. 


If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack".  Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.


It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.

 :yeah: :bash:

Next year won't be any different then this year, same predation same WDFW pretending to want to help while wolves kill more cattle.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2018, 06:29:10 AM »
yep last two wolves of pack leaves 3 which isnt a pack but will be in spring.   :rolleyes: 

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2018, 08:49:15 AM »
I just love the solution. This pack of wolves needs to be eliminated because they prey on cattle. The other packs are the good ones that don’t prey on cattle. They are all wolves, you can’t cull the desire to eat beef out of the species. It’s just dumb.
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2018, 09:46:55 AM »
I’m not saying I’m against takingbout the pack. I think they should and I think they need to open up hunting immediately for wolves. They are hear and from what I’ve seen in Idaho you aren’t going to get rid of them so just have an open season and try to slow the damage they do.
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2018, 09:50:06 AM »
Here's the current information from an honest source.  :chuckle:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/updates.php

Appears that the Togo and OPT are always in the news.

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 07:16:28 AM »
By not taking immediate action when any wolf kills cattle, wolf groups and WDFW are ensuring that the rest of the pack or wolves in the area become cattle killers. :bash:
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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 08:41:55 PM »
Sounds like Democrat rhetoric to me.
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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 09:47:35 PM »
THANK YOU to the WDFW. I appreciate this action very much. While I understand its wrapped up in a whole lot of political bs, I think we could agree that 16 dead cows/calves is too many before this level of action but its a step in the right direction. Its a tough job to take into account all interests but I think protecting ranchers livelihoods should remain a top priority in the wolf management plan. I think Idaho is a great model for us to look at for the future, wolf populations are sustained and safe, ranchers have the ability to protect their herds, and not only have hunters seen some of the best elk hunting the last four years as they have in decades, but they now have an additional species to pursue in the woods. WDFW, lets work toward a model similar to idaho. :tup:

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2018, 12:55:09 PM »
THANK YOU to the WDFW. I appreciate this action very much. While I understand its wrapped up in a whole lot of political bs, I think we could agree that 16 dead cows/calves is too many before this level of action but its a step in the right direction. Its a tough job to take into account all interests but I think protecting ranchers livelihoods should remain a top priority in the wolf management plan. I think Idaho is a great model for us to look at for the future, wolf populations are sustained and safe, ranchers have the ability to protect their herds, and not only have hunters seen some of the best elk hunting the last four years as they have in decades, but they now have an additional species to pursue in the woods. WDFW, lets work toward a model similar to idaho. :tup:

 Where are you getting your info?


Idaho commission says wolf-livestock kills hit record in past year

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jul/25/idaho-commission-says-wolf-livestock-kills-hit-rec/

One in Nine wolf predations are confirmed


Imagine the impact on the game herds etc., who's counting them?







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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2018, 12:55:52 PM »
By not taking immediate action when any wolf kills cattle, wolf groups and WDFW are ensuring that the rest of the pack or wolves in the area become cattle killers. :bash:


 :yeah: :bash: :bash:

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Re: State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM »
THANK YOU to the WDFW. I appreciate this action very much. While I understand its wrapped up in a whole lot of political bs, I think we could agree that 16 dead cows/calves is too many before this level of action but its a step in the right direction. Its a tough job to take into account all interests but I think protecting ranchers livelihoods should remain a top priority in the wolf management plan. I think Idaho is a great model for us to look at for the future, wolf populations are sustained and safe, ranchers have the ability to protect their herds, and not only have hunters seen some of the best elk hunting the last four years as they have in decades, but they now have an additional species to pursue in the woods. WDFW, lets work toward a model similar to idaho. :tup:

 Where are you getting your info?


Idaho commission says wolf-livestock kills hit record in past year

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jul/25/idaho-commission-says-wolf-livestock-kills-hit-rec/

One in Nine wolf predations are confirmed


Imagine the impact on the game herds etc., who's counting them?

I got that info directly off of IDFG website. They do admit that there are areas still below objective but overall elk hunting is as good now as its been in a long time.



 


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