I-1639 mega thread

[RJW]

I don't expect it will stand in court, but we will see.

[Mongo Hunter]

Im not moving! one I cant but two this is my home! We'll see if this stands up in court (which I doubt) but I will not comply and disobey at every turn I can. Californians made the mistake of complying again and again and again and now bitch they have no rights. Dig your heels in, time to fight.

[Special T]

Wyoming is by far the most free state in the nation. Idaho isnt far behind. It should be no surprise since they have amended thier constitutions to require super majorities to change 2A, hunting and other constitutional rights. Washington had that chance in the 80s but we talked out of it.

There are some southern states that have done similar things but I cant tell you which ones.

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[konradcountry]

I've seen lots of comments here and elsewhere on leaving the state. I get that, I really do and might move as well in a couple years.

But we need to face the core of the problem or all the states will eventually have these initiatives. Colorado was once a free state and now Californians are turning it into another suburb. They chased out Magpul and now there is talk of banning AR-15s.

Then there is the problem of the Feds. Even if you move there could be an anti-gun President and congress in the future.

The core of the problem is that the media is indoctrinating the public into *feeling* that guns are the problem. There is no serious discussion on the second amendment or the odds of actually being killed in a mass shooting. There is no questioning why these shootings are more common now than in the 1960s-80s when more households owned guns. The media constantly pushes an anti-gun view and people absorb it. When an initiative like this comes out it is then difficult to defend since people are going on feelings in the first place.

So maybe we could brainstorm on how to really deal with this problem. We need pre-emptive attacks and not the current defense strategy.

[Bob33]

BT, thanks for the info on storage and illegal entry. I want to be sure I know what this means. If my house or car is locked (assuming the firearm is out of sight in the car) and I don't have a gunlock on the firearm, I'm exempted from the gun lock requirement penalties if someone breaks in and steals the firearm. Is that correct, in your opinion?

If you report it stolen within five days of noticing it was stolen, yes.

Right, thanks Bob.

Unless an overzealous prosecutor, as a political statement, wants to use you as political statement that he is tough on gun owners and imputes to you that you "reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken" more than five days before your teport, which renders that safe harbor unavailable.

But hey, that kind of LE political witch hunting never happens, right?  *coughs*  Mueller *coughs*

Any attorney worth his salt will tell you not to trust LE to tell you what the law is.  They are not acting in your best interest.

Overzealous prosecutors don't need another law to make your life difficult; they can do that all on their own. *cough*

And I don't need LE to tell me what this law states. It's pretty simple to understand for me. 

[Oh Mah]

  but it seems we have been here before and this state allows it to continue every time.  it is against the state constitution and the U.S CONSTITUTION as well in several ways.

[woodswalker]

500,000 plus yes votes on 1639 came from king county

wonder how many of those were REAL votes...not from the graveyard or obit pages.  Remember, Grandpa never voted Democrat until after he died.

[Special T]

I'm unsure of how we save Washington. I belive we are past the tipping point.

ID, WY and some southern states have made gun ownership, hunting and other stuff state constitutional rights requiring super majorities to overturn. This is the only preventative measures I can see.

On the federal level there are several cases  challenging the commerce clause. I belive out of Kentucky the state says any suppressors made and sold in the state dont need fed tax stamps. If this makes it to the supreme court it will have a huge effect on all manner of business.

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[ljsommer]

What if we just built the Trump wall... and then kept going to have it also surround California so that the Californians just stayed there?

[Oh Mah]

   but as i said this happened before and this state supreme court let it slide,said it was not their problem. GREGOIRE.

[Kc_Kracker]

It should be no surprise since they have amended thier constitutions to require super majorities to change 2A, hunting and other constitutional rights.

what does that mean?

[r67968]

What if we just built the Trump wall... and then kept going to have it also surround California so that the Californians just stayed there?

We have been producing our own generations of progressive liberals right here.
Just take a look at what is being taught in colleges these days. I don't think that it's all California transplants giving us these results. It seems to me our public education system is a pipeline of liberal indoctrination, and some parents are content to let it be.

[Machias]

I expect it to stand up in court.  After I-713 was ruled Constitutional, I suspect anything the Libs pass will hold up in court even when it clearly violates the rules.  Glad I left this state in June.

[bobcat]

The initiative sounds like it doesn't include semi-automatic shotguns. I wonder why?

So an 18 year old could still buy a semi auto shotgun but not a Ruger 10/22?

As it is written yes. I suspect shotguns aren't used as often as rifles in mass shootings.

I don't believe .22 rimfires are much used either.

[2MANY]

So begins the continued over population of the Rocky Mountain corridor.