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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 09:35:09 PM »
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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 09:54:08 PM »
So will this just be a department pay out? Or is there some kind of criminal charge that can go along with this?
$$$$$$$$$

The trial is slated for the summer of 2020. What you'll see happen between now and then is the state Attorney General's office which is representing the agency and employees will move to have the officers be protected under qualified immunity. Which basically means the officers were doing their jobs and didn't have any malicious intent and their names will be removed from the suit. Now for the officers who I didn't name that will likely happen because they were simply following orders (ie show up tomorrow and arrest John Doe and take him to jail) and is the reason why I didn't name them. However, Olson and Willette will have an uphill battle for this.
Any chance Cenci could be part of those not protected?

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 09:56:51 PM »
So will this just be a department pay out? Or is there some kind of criminal charge that can go along with this?
$$$$$$$$$

The trial is slated for the summer of 2020. What you'll see happen between now and then is the state Attorney General's office which is representing the agency and employees will move to have the officers be protected under qualified immunity. Which basically means the officers were doing their jobs and didn't have any malicious intent and their names will be removed from the suit. Now for the officers who I didn't name that will likely happen because they were simply following orders (ie show up tomorrow and arrest John Doe and take him to jail) and is the reason why I didn't name them. However, Olson and Willette will have an uphill battle for this.
Any chance Cenci could be part of those not protected?

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Maybe. I think the only people who should be worried is Willette and maybe Olson. The others are simply in the chain of command or happened to be involved in a raid.

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2019, 05:35:24 AM »
So will this just be a department pay out? Or is there some kind of criminal charge that can go along with this?
$$$$$$$$$

The trial is slated for the summer of 2020. What you'll see happen between now and then is the state Attorney General's office which is representing the agency and employees will move to have the officers be protected under qualified immunity. Which basically means the officers were doing their jobs and didn't have any malicious intent and their names will be removed from the suit. Now for the officers who I didn't name that will likely happen because they were simply following orders (ie show up tomorrow and arrest John Doe and take him to jail) and is the reason why I didn't name them. However, Olson and Willette will have an uphill battle for this.
Any chance Cenci could be part of those not protected?

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Maybe. I think the only people who should be worried is Willette and maybe Olson. The others are simply in the chain of command or happened to be involved in a raid.
Before I even started reading this I had a feeling Cencis name would be involved. It says the others were acting at the behest of Mike Cenci, but I wonder if he will once again slither away from repercussions because the others were acting at the behest of Cenci so technically it sounds like his underlings will take the hit because he can say "I didn't tell them to handle it like that"

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »
Like I already posted I believe Olson and Willette are the individuals who should be worried here. Lets be honest, they both have checkered pasts.

Willette started with WDFW in south King County where she was known as a pavement warden. She didn't go in the woods because many thought hunters scared her. So she basically just worked fishing/shellfish cases. She worked in south King County where the other three wardens were all in their late 50s with 30 years on with WDFW and didn't feel she was a game warden. Her Sgt met that same description. She began to make threats about sexual harassment/discrimination and suddenly she was willingly transferred to Sergeant Olson's marine detachment where there was another female officer. Shortly after the accusations of Todd Vandivert's public "investigation" found WDFW didn't promote females WDFW promoted two females to sergeant and two to detective, one of those was Willette. While as an officer she was sued for shooting a citizens dog when she went thru people's backyards at Lake Desire looking for someone she had earlier saw fishing.

Olson started with WDFW as the Seattle marine officer where he solely worked marine issues (as he was directed). I'll give the guy credit he is a damn good fisheries officer, probably the best the state has seen, but he's got an ego you can see 100 miles away and it's probably the cause for his troubles. After being prematurely promoted to head the Central Sound Marine Detachment he led the unlawful investigation into DNR divers which was mentioned on Vandivert's website. In 2014 he was chastised by the King County Prosecutor's Office for "direct filing" criminal charges instead of referring the charges to the prosecutors office to have them determine if charges should be filed. Then of course in late 2018 you had his accusation against the then-Pierce County Prosecutor that he dropped charges against tribal members because their tribe donated funds to the prosecutor's campaign.

To top it off, Willette and Olson were/are Cenci lovers and quite honestly wouldn't have gotten to where they are now (or in Olson's case not as quickly) without Cenci at the helm.
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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2019, 01:40:12 PM »
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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2019, 01:54:17 PM »
Like I already posted I believe Olson and Willette are the individuals who should be worried here. Lets be honest, they both have checkered pasts.

Willette started with WDFW in south King County where she was known as a pavement warden. She didn't go in the woods because many thought hunters scared her. So she basically just worked fishing/shellfish cases. She worked in south King County where the other three wardens were all in their late 50s with 30 years on with WDFW and didn't feel she was a game warden. Her Sgt met that same description. She began to make threats about sexual harassment/discrimination and suddenly she was transferred to Sergeant Olson's marine detachment where there was another female officer. Shortly after the accusations of Todd Vandivert's public "investigation" found WDFW didn't promote females WDFW promoted two females to sergeant and two to detective, one of those was Willette. While as an officer she was sued for shooting a citizens dog when she went thru people's backyards at Lake Desire looking for someone she had earlier saw fishing.

Olson started with WDFW as the Seattle marine officer where he solely worked marine issues (as he was directed). I'll give the guy credit he is a damn good fisheries officer, probably the best the state has seen, but he's got an ego you can see 100 miles away and it's probably the cause for his troubles. After being prematurely promoted to head the Central Sound Marine Detachment he led the unlawful investigation into DNR divers which was mentioned on Vandivert's website. In 2014 he was chastised by the King County Prosecutor's Office for "direct filing" criminal charges instead of referring the charges to the prosecutors office to have them determine if charges should be filed. Then of course in late 2018 you had his accusation against the then-Pierce County Prosecutor that he dropped charges against tribal members because their tribe donated funds to the prosecutor's campaign.

To top it off, Willette and Olson were/are Cenci lovers and quite honestly wouldn't have gotten to where they are now (or in Olson's case not as quickly) without Cenci at the helm.

With the attitudes given in that explanation,  I could see Willette receiving a massive harassment settlement. I hope The next governor or the legislature follows Alaska and Oregon and folds the WDFW into the WSP. I hope Willette’s lawyer sees your post BT, if in fact you are a non retired officer of the WDFW. It could be damming to the department.

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 02:04:32 PM »
Like I already posted I believe Olson and Willette are the individuals who should be worried here. Lets be honest, they both have checkered pasts.

Willette started with WDFW in south King County where she was known as a pavement warden. She didn't go in the woods because many thought hunters scared her. So she basically just worked fishing/shellfish cases. She worked in south King County where the other three wardens were all in their late 50s with 30 years on with WDFW and didn't feel she was a game warden. Her Sgt met that same description. She began to make threats about sexual harassment/discrimination and suddenly she was transferred to Sergeant Olson's marine detachment where there was another female officer. Shortly after the accusations of Todd Vandivert's public "investigation" found WDFW didn't promote females WDFW promoted two females to sergeant and two to detective, one of those was Willette. While as an officer she was sued for shooting a citizens dog when she went thru people's backyards at Lake Desire looking for someone she had earlier saw fishing.

Olson started with WDFW as the Seattle marine officer where he solely worked marine issues (as he was directed). I'll give the guy credit he is a damn good fisheries officer, probably the best the state has seen, but he's got an ego you can see 100 miles away and it's probably the cause for his troubles. After being prematurely promoted to head the Central Sound Marine Detachment he led the unlawful investigation into DNR divers which was mentioned on Vandivert's website. In 2014 he was chastised by the King County Prosecutor's Office for "direct filing" criminal charges instead of referring the charges to the prosecutors office to have them determine if charges should be filed. Then of course in late 2018 you had his accusation against the then-Pierce County Prosecutor that he dropped charges against tribal members because their tribe donated funds to the prosecutor's campaign.

To top it off, Willette and Olson were/are Cenci lovers and quite honestly wouldn't have gotten to where they are now (or in Olson's case not as quickly) without Cenci at the helm.
With the attitudes given in that explanation,  I could see Willette receiving a massive harassment settlement. I hope The next governor or the legislature follows Alaska and Oregon and folds the WDFW into the WSP. I hope Willette’s lawyer sees your post BT, if in fact you are a non retired officer of the WDFW. It could be damming to the department.
What attitude? The fact that veteran officers didn't think an officer who happened to be female wasn't doing her job? Stats don't lie, she didn't do wildlife work even though she was in a land/wildlife station. She was sent to work Fir Island one weekend and as a result letters were sent by hunters to the Mill Creek Regional Office saying she should never be allowed to work Fir Island again because how she treated them. Even other LEOs in south King County and hunters/anglers in the area did not think highly of her. She willingly moved into a marine position in the same county she lived and did fine. Quite honestly it was a good move for her, she was basically doing the job of a marine officer while working in a land officer position, the transfer fit her better. These things were also mentioned in the Vandivert information he put on his site.

Moving WDFW LE into WSP would be the worst thing to happen to fish and wildlife law enforcement in WA. There's a reason why only two states do it that way, and one of those (Alaska) is also talking about going away from it.
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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2019, 08:18:56 PM »
Like I already posted I believe Olson and Willette are the individuals who should be worried here. Lets be honest, they both have checkered pasts.

Willette started with WDFW in south King County where she was known as a pavement warden. She didn't go in the woods because many thought hunters scared her. So she basically just worked fishing/shellfish cases. She worked in south King County where the other three wardens were all in their late 50s with 30 years on with WDFW and didn't feel she was a game warden. Her Sgt met that same description. She began to make threats about sexual harassment/discrimination and suddenly she was transferred to Sergeant Olson's marine detachment where there was another female officer. Shortly after the accusations of Todd Vandivert's public "investigation" found WDFW didn't promote females WDFW promoted two females to sergeant and two to detective, one of those was Willette. While as an officer she was sued for shooting a citizens dog when she went thru people's backyards at Lake Desire looking for someone she had earlier saw fishing.

Olson started with WDFW as the Seattle marine officer where he solely worked marine issues (as he was directed). I'll give the guy credit he is a damn good fisheries officer, probably the best the state has seen, but he's got an ego you can see 100 miles away and it's probably the cause for his troubles. After being prematurely promoted to head the Central Sound Marine Detachment he led the unlawful investigation into DNR divers which was mentioned on Vandivert's website. In 2014 he was chastised by the King County Prosecutor's Office for "direct filing" criminal charges instead of referring the charges to the prosecutors office to have them determine if charges should be filed. Then of course in late 2018 you had his accusation against the then-Pierce County Prosecutor that he dropped charges against tribal members because their tribe donated funds to the prosecutor's campaign.

To top it off, Willette and Olson were/are Cenci lovers and quite honestly wouldn't have gotten to where they are now (or in Olson's case not as quickly) without Cenci at the helm.

With the attitudes given in that explanation, I could see Willette receiving a massive harassment settlement. I hope The next governor or the legislature follows Alaska and Oregon and folds the WDFW into the WSP. I hope Willette’s lawyer sees your post BT, if in fact you are a non retired officer of the WDFW. It could be damming to the department.
You could see Willette getting a settlement?  :dunno: And others recieving commendations and awards for harassment?

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2019, 08:32:00 PM »
I wonder if he meant to say it the other way around and it came out wrong? :dunno:
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2019, 08:45:37 PM »
I wonder if he meant to say it the other way around and it came out wrong? :dunno:

I think the Native American plaintiffs will receive a settlement. Independant of that, I also think the Officer Willette will make a claim for sexual discrimination against an agency with a history of these problems and handily prevail.


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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2019, 08:51:32 PM »
I wonder if he meant to say it the other way around and it came out wrong? :dunno:

I think the Native American plaintiffs will receive a settlement. Independant of that, I also think the Officer Willette will make a claim for sexual discrimination against an agency with a history of these problems and handily prevail.
Based off of information posted? Do you have inside information? She's showed actions that are representative of bully tactics.  In the end the resource loses because of the actions of a few.   

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2019, 08:59:57 PM »
It's WA. State and were in the me too movement era.What other inside info is needed?
Her attorney,Cher,Reese,and Meryl will show up to back her up in court.
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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2019, 09:17:44 PM »
The entire ordeal is disgusting and was a waste of resources(both monetary and natural). I hope Willette and Olsen burn. Be nice to see Cenci take a hit as well, but that would be a stretch.
Thank you for sharing @Bigtex  :tup:

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Re: WDFW & WDFW Officers Sued by Tribal Members
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2019, 09:46:59 PM »
The entire ordeal is disgusting and was a waste of resources(both monetary and natural). I hope Willette and Olsen burn. Be nice to see Cenci take a hit as well, but that would be a stretch.
Thank you for sharing @Bigtex  :tup:
Cenci is already retired, dont think he'll get much heat off this.

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