Permit quotas

[Karl Blanchard]

This always cracks me up.  You guys will drop 20 on lotto, buy a $10 ticket at a sportsmans show to win some cheap rifle but $13 at a chance to win a kick ass hunt is just gonna break the bank?

If all the level leader, experienced, and knowledgable folks up and quit this forum would that make it a better place? NOPE! Will quitting washington hunting completely fix its issues and turn the tide for the species we all love? HELL NO! State funding is a bit more complicated than license dollars= agency funds.  I know that some of you know this but just like to complain.

Ignoring a problem doesnt solve the problem.  I'd bet all my western tags that a good chunk of the loudest complainers have never written, called, emailed, or attended a fish a game meeting.  If we all spent an 1/8th of the time that we spend on here, doing those things the picture may be a bit brighter.  But we don't.  We complain, blame things that aren't a factor, spout misingormation and never EVER look in the mirror.

Never quit. If there is a problem then work to fix it.  If you stop participating you fast track the end of hunting for future generations.  That's a selfish thing to do.  If there's no hunters, then there is no hunting. Plain and simple 

Tell me how I'm wrong.  I'll wait.......

[Mr Mykiss]

Once I was pissed about this state and their game management, then I got over it...hell I almost understood why it was so difficult for them to NOT DECIMATE the Kahlotus deer herd.

The elk permit quotas...I'm not sure I can get over this. Like seriously I'm formulating a plan to get the hell out, burn points on lesser hunts or no hunts...I'm DEAD SERIOUS.

:yeah:I've been considering this since I had 10 points, now at 24 points, I really want out.  Once drawn, I'm done.

I have 28 points and my odds are so bad that I always include a buddy on my app because the odds between 28 and 17 points are pretty much equally a crap burrito sandwich!!

[Mfowl]

One thing is for sure...this years permit draw thread is going to suck!

[Ghost Hunter]

This always cracks me up.  You guys will drop 20 on lotto, buy a $10 ticket at a sportsmans show to win some cheap rifle but $13 at a chance to win a kick ass hunt is just gonna break the bank?

If all the level leader, experienced, and knowledgable folks up and quit this forum would that make it a better place? NOPE! Will quitting washington hunting completely fix its issues and turn the tide for the species we all love? HELL NO! State funding is a bit more complicated than license dollars= agency funds.  I know that some of you know this but just like to complain.

Ignoring a problem doesnt solve the problem.  I'd bet all my western tags that a good chunk of the loudest complainers have never written, called, emailed, or attended a fish a game meeting.  If we all spent an 1/8th of the time that we spend on here, doing those things the picture may be a bit brighter.  But we don't.  We complain, blame things that aren't a factor, spout misingormation and never EVER look in the mirror.

Never quit. If there is a problem then work to fix it.  If you stop participating you fast track the end of hunting for future generations.  That's a selfish thing to do.  If there's no hunters, then there is no hunting. Plain and simple 

Tell me how I'm wrong.  I'll wait.......

   I was waiting for that.   

[fishngamereaper]

Once I was pissed about this state and their game management, then I got over it...hell I almost understood why it was so difficult for them to NOT DECIMATE the Kahlotus deer herd.

The elk permit quotas...I'm not sure I can get over this. Like seriously I'm formulating a plan to get the hell out, burn points on lesser hunts or no hunts...I'm DEAD SERIOUS.

:yeah:I've been considering this since I had 10 points, now at 24 points, I really want out.  Once drawn, I'm done.

I have 28 points and my odds are so bad that I always include a buddy on my app because the odds between 28 and 17 points are pretty much equally a crap burrito sandwich!!

Ill buddy up with ya..I tend to draw some sort of permit every year or two...My luck and your points...

[Mr Mykiss]

Dangit KBlanch!!
I think it's the frustration coming through and transitioning from constant bitching (like 7th grade girls) to actually being done with this state.
I call people and harass the hell out of WDFW all the time.

If my kids wanna hunt I'll probably buy a deer tag.

However me, myself and I...would I rather spend $1000 to hunt a good buck and branched antlered bull in Idaho rather than $350 in WA for the headache and constant reminder of WA's game management...you betcha!!

[Karl Blanchard]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

[Mr Mykiss]

Let's not forget that the 2018 numbers were a 50% reduction from 2017 numbers!!

What's that an 88% reduction in two years??!!

Have a nice day

[BULLBLASTER]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

[Mr Mykiss]

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington? 

I think that's the thing dude. The thought of pulling the plug on WA it just that...it's dying and it's gonna die so just let it go. I believe that's the thought process behind quitting but I may be wrong.

I'm also up for any organized effort to help stop the death of hunting in WA. But I have no doubt in my mind that the 2022 season will see 17 total bull tags in the Yakima herd and 12 total in the blues.

[KB88]

Stop ungulate hunting for a year and everyone have a predator year... with hounds

[Skyvalhunter]

You can try a blow smoke up my rear all you want but game animal hunting in this state is not going to drastically improve. The only hunting that will improve Is wolf cougar and bear because their population is growing.t

[Mfowl]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

How long do you think hunting will last given our current state of affairs? It may not be there for the future generations as is. I don't want to stop hunting the state I am born and raised in but I want to send a message to WDFW. You can't blame the average joe hunter for the current state of our big game populations and WDFW doesn't appear to be trying solve the problem, just managing it as it dwindles. Why should anyone pony up for less than ever before? WDFW needs to step up and show that they are committed to improvement of big game populations. All I can tell is that they are committed to raking sportsmen over the coals while giving back as little as possible.  I don't blame anyone for getting out and looking for greener pastures elsewhere, you only get so many seasons in your lifetime. WDFW seems to only care about the money, so why not make that the catalyst for change?

[BULLBLASTER]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

How long do you think hunting will last given our current state of affairs? It may not be there for the future generations as is. I don't want to stop hunting the state I am born and raised in but I want to send a message to WDFW. You can't blame the average joe hunter for the current state of our big game populations and WDFW doesn't appear to be trying solve the problem, just managing it as it dwindles. Why should anyone pony up for less than ever before? WDFW needs to step up and show that they are committed to improvement of big game populations. All I can tell is that they are committed to raking sportsmen over the coals while giving back as little as possible.  I don't blame anyone for getting out and looking for greener pastures elsewhere, you only get so many seasons in your lifetime. WDFW seems to only care about the money, so why not make that the catalyst for change?

You said it yourself that you only get so many season to hunt. That is true. Why would you not make the modest expenditure to apply for the quality bull hunts in wa for the chance you could draw and have a great hunt?

There is no cheaper place to apply for hunts than wa if you are already a resident here. 

[Mfowl]

The price of a deer and elk combo and a few permit apps is less than $350 sir.  Personally the price paid for the chance at a good tag and for my head to be counted is worth it.  I promise you, if we stopped participating even if it's on a limited scale then we will see the end of hunting in our lifetime. how cowardly and selfish would that be of us to take everything our fathers and grandfathers  work for to build the North American model of big game and conservation and just piss it all away because we did not have the intestinal fortitude that they did to fight the fight.

Once again, tell me how quitting this state will benefit future generations of hunters and the ungulate population of Washington?  or am I the only one that actually cares about that more than filling tag,......

How long do you think hunting will last given our current state of affairs? It may not be there for the future generations as is. I don't want to stop hunting the state I am born and raised in but I want to send a message to WDFW. You can't blame the average joe hunter for the current state of our big game populations and WDFW doesn't appear to be trying solve the problem, just managing it as it dwindles. Why should anyone pony up for less than ever before? WDFW needs to step up and show that they are committed to improvement of big game populations. All I can tell is that they are committed to raking sportsmen over the coals while giving back as little as possible.  I don't blame anyone for getting out and looking for greener pastures elsewhere, you only get so many seasons in your lifetime. WDFW seems to only care about the money, so why not make that the catalyst for change?

You said it yourself that you only get so many season to hunt. That is true. Why would you not make the modest expenditure to apply for the quality bull hunts in wa for the chance you could draw and have a great hunt?

There is no cheaper place to apply for hunts than wa if you are already a resident here. 

Given that our permits have dropped off a cliff it is no longer a modest expenditure. It now becomes a considerable expenditure for a miniscule chance at a tag.