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Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« on: July 08, 2019, 07:46:19 PM »
We get a lot of threads about Outfitters and rightly so because there are few places (in Washington) where outfitters can be reviewed or experiences compared.

I would like to hear from the Outfitters themselves.
Stories about the people who have been total deuchwaffles, in seriously bad condition, poor shots, and even just plain jerks. I know you guys must have a surplus of these types you have dealt with over the years.

I have seen some on Hunting shows, where you know the outfitter had to hand deliver any chance of a shot on a critter, because after a couple minutes the hunter was huffing and weezing, or missed a broadside shot at minimal range.

I am a horrible horse rider. So if I was to hire a guide, and I ran into a yellow jacket or two, you would see a rodeo where the rider would take the least path of resistance and bail do to self preservation .................  :dunno:

You must see many that could not ride the horse they paid for, and the cowboy action that followed.

If you need to change it up a bit so not to "call out" a paying customer, just call them
"Bob with a manbun, shooting a 6.5 CM",
and we will totally understand.  :rolleyes:

 :chuckle:
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2019, 10:54:47 PM »
Drop camp gone wrong/ non guided. We werent able to go where we were suppose to the morning of our pack in because the outfitter had friends in the area and wouldnt put us there. Ended up in deep dark hole far away from alpine back country we had our trip planned for. Arriving a day before season we were told sometimes season opens early if you you know what I mean. Ended up walking out after a week to call and get our stuff picked up before we ran out of season. Ended up hunting out of the wilderness and filled the tag but sure does suck when your trip is screwed up by a outfiitter that decides drinking real late and not being on time for anything and changing your plans last minute  is ok.

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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2019, 11:08:39 PM »
Why would an outfitter come on here and bash clients? 

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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 11:19:41 PM »
Dave and NWhunter in the Blues are examples of a good operation.

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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 10:30:43 AM »
Why would an outfitter come on here and bash clients? 

Because it would make great stories, just kidding.
That is why I said use a little creative license and the alias provided.

"If you need to change it up a bit so not to "call out" a paying customer, just call them
"Bob with a manbun, shooting a 6.5 CM",
and we will totally understand.  "


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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 10:44:56 AM »
Why would an outfitter come on here and bash clients? 

Because it would make great stories, just kidding.
That is why I said use a little creative license and the alias provided.

"If you need to change it up a bit so not to "call out" a paying customer, just call them
"Bob with a manbun, shooting a 6.5 CM",
and we will totally understand.  "



I highly doubt you'll get many stories on a public forum. These kinds of stories are usually reserved for in camp or possibly a bar after a couple of beers. It's just bad form to complain about dudes when they are the ones that pay your bills.

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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 01:11:21 PM »
When I thought I was going to start my business I had decided not to take hunters from Washington to prevent them from just hunting my spots on their own after their trip.
I had a lot of interest, but the only one to follow through was a guy we'll just call "C".
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C. and I had many conversations prior to his trip out.
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I told him we would be hiking logging roads behind closed gates several miles to our hunting areas.
Chances were pretty good we would be taking midday breaks to wait for wind/thermal changes and eat lunch.
He admitted he was not in the best of shape, but could hike a fair distance and would be working on improving during the summer.
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Car camping and driving to different areas for the day, hunting for any legal animal, public access land.
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He arrived early and I showed him the camp, fixed a lunch and we spent a little time talking.
He brought out a box of wine and poured a glass while I had a beer.
Because of no fire regulations, and it only being 2 of us, I suggested an afternoon walk.
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We drove to one of the gates I like and proceeded to stretch our legs.
We had only gone about a half mile at a comfortable stroll when a nice bull walked out into the road ahead of us.
I suggested we back out to avoid disturbing the herd now that we knew they were definitely in the area.
We head back to camp and get ready to hit the gate first thing in the morning.
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That's when he broke out the 1/2 gallon..
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I had a couple drinks with him and we ate dinner, then I told him I was going to hit the rack, morning came early.
I woke up in the middle of the night a few times because C. was snoring very loud.
The alarm clock finally told me it was time to get rolling, so I got up and fixed a pot of coffee, heated the griddle and tried to wake C.
Eventually got him to come out of his tent and handed him a cup and plate.
He promptly poured a shot in his coffee from the half empty bottle and had his breakfast.
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I urged him to hurry, as I wanted to be at the gate before daylight, and (hopefully) any other hunters.
He complained about not getting any sleep because he did not have his C-pap machine, and was feeling a little poorly.
We got to the gate, and had the place to ourselves :)

We began our walk in with high hopes.
Walking in to where we had seen the bull the day before, I elected to stop and listen for a while and wait until we could see.
There were plenty of tracks and fresh droppings, so we walked the road to the next spur that went off in the direction they had traveled.
We walked slowly along the spur, looking for more fresh sign and found where they had crossed and dropped down into the creek bottom.
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I asked him if he was ready, and he looked at me in confusion.
I explained that we were going to follow the trail down, and his look changed to bewilderment.
He said "there is no way we can sneak through that!"
I informed him that we were not going to sneak, we were going to have to just follow the trail until we found more fresh sign, then set up and try some calling.
I finally convinced him to leave the road and come with me.
When we hit the creek bed we found an extensive network of easy walking trails, lots of fresh rubs and good sign.
Finding a nice spot with clear shooting lanes, I placed him along one of the bigger trails and backed off about 30 yards.
I waited a little while then began a quiet cow/calf sequence..
Wind was right, no hurry...
After a little while I took it up a notch with some louder lost calf, and cow responses.
Then waited a little while.
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Not getting a response being subtle, I decided to throw out a location bugle.
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Immediately I got a lot of commotion from the direction of C. ...
Then he comes hotfooting it towards me.
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Seems he had dozed off until my bugle, and it "scared" him.
He said he was not feeling very good, and how much longer until we went back to camp for lunch?
I tried to explain lunch was in my pack and we had just started, but he insisted that he did not feel well because he did not get much sleep without his C-pap, and wanted to return to camp.
Because he was a paying client, I reluctantly agreed to return to camp, but wanted to come back early afternoon.
Once we were at camp, I began preparing a hot lunch while C. went back to work finishing off his 1/2 gallon.
After lunch he went into his tent for a nap while I messed around near camp.
Around 2 I decided to interrupt the loud snoring, and eventually got C. to emerge from his tent.
He again complained about not getting enough sleep (despite the sounds of sleeping I heard) and said he was not sure if he was up to heading back to that place.
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I tried to hide my disappointment and suggested a shorter walk near camp.
We did manage to see a lone cow, but could not get close enough for a shot.
C. commented about how that was much more like he had imagined, an easy elk near camp, uphill from a road.
I explained that it was unlikely we would be that lucky, but it was his money so I would try to figure out something a little closer to the road.
He said that going back where we started would be fine, but wanted to stay out of that "thick stuff".
He was used to hunting a few hours in the morning, then having a "he man" breakfast before taking a nap, then lunch before the evening hunt.
He had assumed that's what I meant by a "midday break"
That's how his outfitted deer hunts had been.
The rest of the week was pretty much the same, he polished off a lot of whiskey, complained about not getting enough sleep because he did not have his C-pap, and we walked logging roads.
We did get to see a few elk, but were busted long before we were in range.
I discovered that a few miles in, then out was all I could get out of him and most of the "easy" gates had other hunters.
There also was other trucks showing up at our first gate so we spent more time driving around than I would have liked.
He was a decent enough fellow, but was more interested in hanging around camp drinking than actually spending any time in the woods.
He had watched videos without thinking about how much was edited between the action sequences.
He had based his expectations on his whitetail hunting experiences, and thought we would see more animals, not realizing the size and scope of the area or the distances required to locate them.
I had included wording in my description explaining the difficulties, and that there were no guarantees of success.
But I HAD painted a pretty picture of elk hunting in my desire to attract clients.

I seriously reconsidered my idea of a guide business, but decided to be a little more explicit in my description on what to expect.
Long ALL DAY hunts with sack lunches and little sleep was going to be stressed.
Worse case scenarios about the brush, and emphasize about the terrain being steep.

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My dreams of making a living as an outfitter/guide have ended, I just don't have the time or resources to commit to actually generating an income that would support my family.
I did learn a lot from the few clients I did get in the 3 years I tried, and did have a couple satisfied customers.
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 01:43:58 PM »
Maybe @bearpaw will come on here and air out his story about "Adams11" and his buddies that booked a cougar hunt.  What a bunch of jokers those guys were.  :chuckle:
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 01:48:09 PM »
I received a book from the North American Hunting Club years ago that was all stories from outfitters,  had some great stories, my favorite was one about a email client putting lipstick on a bull elk she shot...... don't remember all the details but LMAO after reading it......
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 01:49:54 PM »
There’s no way I could even think about guiding! Dealing with lack of common sense is not my specialty! C sounds like a real go getter hunter :chuckle:
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 01:56:04 PM »
I received a book from the North American Hunting Club years ago that was all stories from outfitters,  had some great stories, my favorite was one about a email client putting lipstick on a bull elk she shot...... don't remember all the details but LMAO after reading it......

That would be a good read  :chuckle:  I can see stories coming out so long as the outfitter went unamed.


So speaking to that:


If an outfitter wants to PM me a story I'll re-post it for them and no one will ever know who it came from. 



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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 08:44:16 PM »
Stiknstringbow, great story thanks for sharing!
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 09:26:28 PM »
Took my son on a fully guided hunt in Oregon a few years back.  There were 3 other hunters in camp.  One of the guides got stuck with this "hunter" that kept droping his rifle.  By the second day, this guy had dropped his gun 3 times.  So for the next 3 days, the guide carried his client's gun for him which I think was pretty easy because the guy couldn't handle more than about a mile of hiking a day before being totally exhausted and ready to head back to camp.  It was a long 5 days for the guide.

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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 10:14:08 PM »
I went on a Moose hunt in B.C. with my Grandfather back in 2000 and it was slow going to say the least, we never saw a moose except this one. On the second to the last day we were driving back to camp after hunting all day and a monster bull walks out and stands in the road in front of us. Mind you this is at least 1/2 hour after dark and its in the headlights. The guide slams on the brakes and yells at me to get out and shoot it. I looked at him and said are your F-ing nuts, there is no way I'm shooting a bull in the headlights I don't care how far out in BFE we are. He was pissed and so was I.  We never went with that outfitter again.
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Re: Outfitters, I would like to hear your horror stories!
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2019, 01:24:17 AM »
Maybe @bearpaw will come on here and air out his story about "Adams11" and his buddies that booked a cougar hunt.  What a bunch of jokers those guys were.  :chuckle:

I could write a book of humorous short stories but it seems like it would be unprofessional to embarrass anyone publicly. A lot of that stuff should probably be unspoken, sort of a hunter/guide privilege, if you will!

I've had some of my own escapades that qualify too!  :chuckle:
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