Who is ready to draw cow permits for archery

[str8meat]

East side draw cows for archery? Bet the west side sees a huge growth in hunters for archery. This is the rumor buzzing around wdfw. Not sure if they really have a clue.

[jstone]

I think it’s a great idea. This is a fall out from a few years ago when they gave out way to many permits.!! Hundreds and hundreds. That just hurt the cows. There must management every time they come up with something like that.

[duckmen1]

Was it the over the counter bow hunters that caused the herd decline or the modern rifle slaughter permit fest. Archery hasn't been the leading cause in herd decline. So why should we make the hardest weapon to harvest even harder. " Yes I see your post agreeing with the permits slaughter". While we are at it let's shorten modern spike season to half the days afield. And get a post hunt rate recovery of bulls up and get more cows bred.

Whenever this state gets a stable population with something they make a free for all and Devistate a good thing.

[Karl Blanchard]

Or the big elephant in the room.......depredation permits. I'd be willing to bet more antlerless elk are killed on these than all otc and permit harvests combined....across all weapons.

[vandeman17]

Or the big elephant in the room.......depredation permits. I'd be willing to bet more antlerless elk are killed on these than all otc and permit harvests combined....across all weapons.

  100%

[grundy53]

Was it the over the counter bow hunters that caused the herd decline or the modern rifle slaughter permit fest. Archery hasn't been the leading cause in herd decline. So why should we make the hardest weapon to harvest even harder. " Yes I see your post agreeing with the permits slaughter". While we are at it let's shorten modern spike season to half the days afield. And get a post hunt rate recovery of bulls up and get more cows bred.

Whenever this state gets a stable population with something they make a free for all and Devistate a good thing.

Regardless of who reduced the population,  the herd needs help. Unregulated killing of cows won't help.

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[BreezyBear]

READY

[fishngamereaper]

I personally haven't seen anything wrong with the Yakima heard. I do see less people in the area's that hold elk though. I'm not complaining, just an observation. Maybe the stats they use to assume heard health are lacking important details. 

[duckmen1]

Trust me I do agree the herd needs help. Just having a discussion based off of comments I hear on a daily basis about different user groups thinking they are entitled too all opportunity with no cutbacks and the other user groups are in need of major cutbacks due too herds suffering. Comments like we shouldn't see a reduction in modern permits but archery needs to quit killing all the elk. Then I look at the units that individual talks about and that unit has way more elk shot with a rifle then a bow even with bow having more generous restrictions due to difficulty of weapon. We just continue to put blame on the user group rather then the whole picture. Everyone is part of the puzzle, including habitat, weather, predators, etc. I feel the department goes all in to the most extreme for good or bad for the situation.

Also what I'm saying here isn't based off the couple post on this thread

[ghosthunter]

I said this on another thread, regardless of the causes there should be no cow tags sold for anything.

[duckmen1]

Example. Take away cow harvest now not 1 archery hunter shot an elk. So in future when antlerless is no longer aloud I really don't want to hear anyone to put blame toward low elk numbers on bow hunters. Get ready modern it's about to get more crowded during your season.

[duckmen1]

Yet the higher weapon still gets a cow tag opportunity. Herds are in bad shape. Then why are they even giving any modern tags for cow.

[jstone]

Little naches 5 cows? Is there a late archery elk there? Early is bull permit only? Correct

[duckmen1]

The 2018 season success is posted and the proposed regs for this season is the next post. Both are taken from the department website.

Yes as of last year there was still a late season spike or antlerless for little natches.

Also appears they will continue antlerless hunts for archery at this time.

[Karl Blanchard]

I personally haven't seen anything wrong with the Yakima heard. I do see less people in the area's that hold elk though. I'm not complaining, just an observation. Maybe the stats they use to assume heard health are lacking important details. 

  yakima herds are down a bit from HISTORIC ALL TIME HIGHS of a few years ago but still a VERY healthy and robust population.