WDFW 2021-23 Hunt proposals

[bobcat]

[JLS]

OTC spring bear really?
If asked by wdfw I would say ,yes. But do you guys really think that they will give up the buckets of money they make in permits?
Mule deer /no antlerless harvest statewide, permits or otherwise.

Spring grouse /NO
Compare spring grouse to Turkey hunting is a very poor comparison.
Have you ever seen a herd of grouse hanging out in a ag fields.
Are you gonna call in some grouse,you got your spring grouse blind set up.
To say grouse numbers are down,now let's open a new season in the same sentence is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

With respect to OTC spring bears, loss of special permit revenues could easily be countered by tacking five bucks on the price of a spring tag.  I hate the permit system as a revenue generator, and have repeatedly voiced this.  It's the ghost of Dave Ware.

I'm not trying to compare turkey and grouse behavior, or the hunting methods. I'm also not insinuating you will call in grouse or use a blind.  Not sure where you came up with that.  The comparison was simply that we hunt male turkeys in the spring, just like the proposal to hunt male grouse in the spring.

Do some reading on bird biology.  A high number of males is not that important for population dynamics.  Hen survival in the fall when they are still in their nesting broods is far more important than the loss of some males after breeding season. 

YMMV.

[notsosneaky]

Not that I am against but they went away from primitive when they went inline and then 209 primers.  Find me a definition of primitive that fits what we use in muzzle loader season. 

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I dont view muzzle loader season as primitive, just a different method. Imo the sight restrictions are the limiting factor.

Yup just like bows.  They don't really fall under primitive anymore either.  Since ML are considered primitive why don't they get a longer season like archery.   ML spring season is the shortest out of the 3.

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Don’t get too wrapped up in the details, wdfw could let everyone hunt any season with any weapon and it wouldn’t matter if there are no animals to shoot at.

Keep your eyes on the prize boys this seems like bread and circus to me.

[duckmen1]

It seems to me most would walk logging roads and see a grouse and try to get the shot before they get away. Then would see babies afterwards. I personally don't like the idea. Im putting that out there polightly. Just my

[gutsnthegrass]

I don't understand why they won't reopen the white river unit for elk (unless it's just the extra money from the draws).  The herd is doing extremely well and it seems like they get hit often on hwy 410.  Everything around the Enumclaw area is Hancock/Muckleshoot land now and they have shut us out of it completely.  There is a lot of ground east of Greenwater that is still huntable, but with it being draw only, nobody can hunt it.  It frustrates the hell out of me.

It would be nice to see a OTC spring bear season too.  There are way too many bears around. 

[trophyhunt]

People act like 1 power scopes bring you closer view of the animal making it easier. All it does is allow a clearer site picture for people who have issues with eye site.
Although I can guess there are some that will try to stretch the law.

anyone have a link to a true 1x scope? I can’t seem to find one, I like the idea, even like the idea of regular scopes on muzzy’s. 

[buckfvr]

A 1x scope with a nice reticle, dot, etc., gives the hunter faster and more precise target acquisition.  Not an eye sight issue at all.  Plus a quality 1x lets you aim both eyes open.

Zeiss Victory V8 

[hunter399]

OTC spring bear really?
If asked by wdfw I would say ,yes. But do you guys really think that they will give up the buckets of money they make in permits?
Mule deer /no antlerless harvest statewide, permits or otherwise.

Spring grouse /NO
Compare spring grouse to Turkey hunting is a very poor comparison.
Have you ever seen a herd of grouse hanging out in a ag fields.
Are you gonna call in some grouse,you got your spring grouse blind set up.
To say grouse numbers are down,now let's open a new season in the same sentence is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

With respect to OTC spring bears, loss of special permit revenues could easily be countered by tacking five bucks on the price of a spring tag.  I hate the permit system as a revenue generator, and have repeatedly voiced this.  It's the ghost of Dave Ware.

I'm not trying to compare turkey and grouse behavior, or the hunting methods. I'm also not insinuating you will call in grouse or use a blind.  Not sure where you came up with that.  The comparison was simply that we hunt male turkeys in the spring, just like the proposal to hunt male grouse in the spring.

Do some reading on bird biology.  A high number of males is not that important for population dynamics.  Hen survival in the fall when they are still in their nesting broods is far more important than the loss of some males after breeding season. 

YMMV.

I'm not doing any reading up on bird biology,It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that it takes a male and female bird to reproduce.

How many females will be shot with eggs inside them .
Makes no sense to me to play around with numbers on the decline for some extra permit dollars.Its a typical WDFW move,before you know it there won't be a season at all ,or a handful of grouse permits will be handed out for the entire grouse season.I can see the future now grouse OIL permit .

[kselkhunter]

A 1x scope with a nice reticle, dot, etc., gives the hunter faster and more precise target acquisition.  Not an eye sight issue at all.  Plus a quality 1x lets you aim both eyes open.

Zeiss Victory V8

I have a crosshair insert in my globe front sight that is painted with glow in the dark paint (that I charge before lowlight conditions start), and an adjustable aperture peep insert in the rear peep for better focus and accuracy out past 100 yards. 

The primary advantage a 1x scope would provide an advantage for is the potential extra light gathering due to its lens coatings. 

[hunter399]

A 1x scope with a nice reticle, dot, etc., gives the hunter faster and more precise target acquisition.  Not an eye sight issue at all.  Plus a quality 1x lets you aim both eyes open.

Zeiss Victory V8

Ya it kinda sounds like a modern firearm.
If I said you can put a scope on your muzzle loader but now have to hunt modern firearm season how would you feel.

[stlusn30-06]

A 1x scope with a nice reticle, dot, etc., gives the hunter faster and more precise target acquisition.  Not an eye sight issue at all.  Plus a quality 1x lets you aim both eyes open.

Zeiss Victory V8

Ya it kinda sounds like a modern firearm.
If I said you can put a scope on your muzzle loader but now have to hunt modern firearm season how would you feel.

Really at that point, I don't know why anyone would bother with modern firearm. Unless you consistently need to take shots over 250yds. Which if you "need" to do, is another discussion. We just aren't talking about the muzzle loading equipment of even 25 years ago. To get your own special season in prime conditions, there should be a bigger challenge on the table then a scoped 200yrd shot being the limiting factor.

[buckfvr]

A 1x scope with a nice reticle, dot, etc., gives the hunter faster and more precise target acquisition.  Not an eye sight issue at all.  Plus a quality 1x lets you aim both eyes open.

Zeiss Victory V8

I have a crosshair insert in my globe front sight that is painted with glow in the dark paint (that I charge before lowlight conditions start), and an adjustable aperture peep insert in the rear peep for better focus and accuracy out past 100 yards. 

The primary advantage a 1x scope would provide an advantage for is the potential extra light gathering due to its lens coatings.

"and an adjustable peep insert in the rear peep for better focus and accuracy out past 100 yards". 

BUT !!  Certainly not as good as a 1x scope.

I made peace with 209 primers but am not good with scopes....(for muzzleloader seasons)

[buckfvr]

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Ya it kinda sounds like a modern firearm.
If I said you can put a scope on your muzzle loader but now have to hunt modern firearm season how would you feel.
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Thats always been the option, since for ever.  Nothing new or just though of.

[hunter399]

Ya it kinda sounds like a modern firearm.
If I said you can put a scope on your muzzle loader but now have to hunt modern firearm season how would you feel.
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Thats always been the option, since for ever.  Nothing new or just though of.
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Yes you are correct ,you can put a scope on a muzzleloader for modern firearm season.
But nobody is happy with that.So let's do away with muzzle loader season and add a few days to modern ,since now that you add a scope ,maybe a drop retical ,the only thing primitive is its a single shot.

[JoeVon]

The rule change allowing wdfw to close more land to hunting (making the Norway Pass part of the Loowit) needs to be struck down.  The Loowit should be shrunk, not made larger.  Let them know!