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mdbuck5x5
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Not sure if any of you guys saw this on Facebook?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1395771733968383/permalink/2705017123043831/
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interesting
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Re: Eltopia bull
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Thats below average.
Not very ethical if you ask me.
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September 29, 2020, 06:57:59 AM »
I know nothing of this incident, however, would that bull have survived?
Honestly? I feel that putting him down was probably the ethical move.
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My first thought is that’s really poor sportsmanship. Then I thought SPORTSmanship? These people have a tag, last day of season, hunting for nature’s bounty, if they make use of the harvest who am I to judge. But if just taking the rack thats
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Re: Eltopia bull
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September 29, 2020, 07:41:09 AM »
Thats not hunting and its not ethical.
Those people went through all the work to save that elk and then someone just comes up and butchers it like its a steer. Dont we hold elk in a little higher regard then that?
Knowing of the folks involved in this incident,( I do not know the shooter) and being that they were willing to go to the extra work to try and help this elk recover over night, should the benefit of the doubt not be given that it was the right thing to do to let this one go to fight another day?
AT THE VERY LEAST, the guy who shot it should have consulted with the folks who worked so hard to free that elk from the ditch before he "harvested" it and selfishly took it for himself.
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Re: Eltopia bull
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September 29, 2020, 07:45:15 AM »
I guess it depends on what your perspective is. If you aren't eating elk meat out of your freezer, you are likely buying beef from the grocery store. If you are looking at it from an animal welfare perspective, it's easy to argue that the cow he would eat had a much worse life than the elk, but the cow dies out of site with no facebook coverage.
Nobody questions the guy as Safeway, asking him if he "really needs the meat" or whatever. It's hypocritical to say the least unless those critical are eating more ethically sourced meat.
All that said, it doesn't help hunter's image no matter how hypocritical, perception is reality. Separating the fb commenters from the people that rescued the elk, I would have considered that they did a bunch of work and cared for an animal that my actions then undid.
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September 29, 2020, 07:53:14 AM »
Morally unethical and totally disgusting.
From looking at the photos that's probably the only way that guy would ever be able to kill an elk with a bow.
So much for the other people trying to help a critter only to have it executed right in front of them.
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September 29, 2020, 08:10:50 AM »
I do not have Facebook and my wife disabled her FB account in May over all this Covid drama.
All I can see when I click on the op's link is 5 pictures of the elk in the ditch and it being brought out and then sitting there in addition all I can read is Maryjos description of what happened.
Are there comments? More pictures? Whats the vibe?
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September 29, 2020, 08:27:50 AM »
There’s a picture of the d-bag dressing the animal out with what I assume is his daughter. Well atleast he can say he got a bull🙄
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September 29, 2020, 08:30:20 AM »
I agree to a couple others prior comments...The biggest kick in the nutz in my opinion, is the fact that the farmers who took the time and energy to get this Bull out safely and attempt to get him back as close to 100% as they could, saw him killed with front row seats. FB is not a good platform to leverage hunting ethics (add that to sex, religion and politics). Leave FB for recipes, pics of the kids at the pumpkin patch and other misc family fun. Everyone is going to have a different view on it. It does feel like a low blow with knowing that the elk was still recovering from a near-death experience and was hopefully on the mend, ready to fight another day... Do we know if he would have made it through the winter...Do we know the hunters true intentions...No.
I do think we can agree that this shows how tough these animals are!
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September 29, 2020, 08:31:48 AM »
I grew up with a couple of the dudes that pulled it out of the canal. Pretty poor taste on the shooters part, wonder if the trespass claim has any validity. He had to of known this would not go over very well.
Some people just operate on a lower watt bulb.
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September 29, 2020, 08:48:42 AM »
I usually say that if everything is completely legal and inbounds than it’s the hunters decision... but this is piss poor. No ethics here. Especially knowing the farmers spent time and energy trying to save the bull..
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No good deed goes unpunished, isn't that the saying? Perhaps if the person who posted the photos on Face Book would have waited 24 hours the guy who shot the bull would not have known about the location and that it was recovering the last day of the season. The epitome of internet scouting right there. They gave up location and condition
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Re: Eltopia bull
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September 29, 2020, 09:21:12 AM »
If this were normal and all on the up and up it wouldn't be called a "hunting" license, it would be called a "harvesting" or "butchering" license. This isn't how hunters operate. Fair Chase is a large part of why we enjoy hunting.
If this fellow had waited for it to die and then applied for a salvage tag...that would have been AOK in my book.
Teaching his children this behavior...ouch
On a good note this shows that hunters are many times the biggest animal lovers of all. Working tirelessly to save a animal in distress doesn't sound bloodthirsty to me.
Just my thoughts though.
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