GM to end gas & diesel vehicle production by 2035

[vandeman17]

Look no further than California that already has brown outs. Now you want every single car to be electric and getting charged daily? 

[highside74]

That's a good point.

From solar panels no less

[JimmyHoffa]

And most solar panels (photovoltaics) are from China, so far from any carbon offset.  Usually they are produced with gases that are thousands of times worse than CO2 and remain in the atmosphere many times longer.  Just a bunch more greeny virtue signaling--like the home energy codes requiring higher R values that are only deliverable by using foams that are produced with gases much worse than the CO2 they claim to be preventing.

[vandeman17]

And most solar panels (photovoltaics) are from China, so far from any carbon offset.  Usually they are produced with gases that are thousands of times worse than CO2 and remain in the atmosphere many times longer.  Just a bunch more greeny virtue signaling--like the home energy codes requiring higher R values that are only deliverable by using foams that are produced with gases much worse than the CO2 they claim to be preventing.

Like Kerry flying around the globe on his private jet? That kind of virtue signaling? 

[kselkhunter]

Tesla's new Models S has 520 miles range.  You can drive all over the US today without range anxiety with Tesla's supercharger network.   The independent charging companies like ChargePoint are ramping up equally fast. They're also reducing costs and improving charger efficiency as part of their deployment plan to rural America for public charging stations.

There are autonomous EV taxis in service in America right now in multiple cities....first design test happened in 2009.  There are autonomous EV delivery vehicles and autonomous EV passenger vehicles in field trials in America right now.  Autonomous semi trucks are in field testing in China now in diesel models, and EV versions are in development.  50,000 autonomous trucks per year will be deployed in China starting in 2023 with EV versions planned for shortly after that.   US autonomous diesel and EV semi trucking test requests are already going through the rigorous US approvals process....which takes many years due to US government regulations (hence why China testing happens first).

Current semi truck EV batteries in development are initially to deliver 500 miles range, with 800+ miles (theoretical depending on load) are right behind that in the development cycle.   

In terms of nationwide energy grid, there is a reason why Tesla and now the independent charging companies are offering solar package bundles with the home based charging stations. And many new public charging stations have their own solar powered charging stations with them.  And there is a huge push on improving charging efficiency and reducing costs now that volumes are ramping.   

But yes, the US utility companies are also going to be having to ramp up their electricity capacity over the next decade and they know it.  That is a problem needing solving, regardless of whether car companies go EV only.   

2035 is 14 years away......   

[kselkhunter]

And most solar panels (photovoltaics) are from China, so far from any carbon offset.  Usually they are produced with gases that are thousands of times worse than CO2 and remain in the atmosphere many times longer.  Just a bunch more greeny virtue signaling--like the home energy codes requiring higher R values that are only deliverable by using foams that are produced with gases much worse than the CO2 they claim to be preventing.

You can specify a US or Canadian solar panel when you buy them.  If you buy from China for your solar panel, that is your individual decision.......

[Stein]

Look no further than California that already has brown outs. Now you want every single car to be electric and getting charged daily? 

Most of CA's problems (not including the Enron thing) are from planned outages due to fire danger.

Generation isn't an issue in the US, distributed generation does create some timing challenges, but the utilities will gladly sell you as much electricity as you can take.

That's CA which is a challenging regulatory environment.  In Texas, there are nodes with negative pricing - the utility will pay you to take electricity at certain times of the day because there is so much excess generation on the grid.  Loose regulatory = tons of wind and other types of generation everywhere.  At our facility, we're lucky to get paid 2 cents per kWhr.  Most of the time it's closer to $0.001 wholesale.

[Special T]

Making only electric vehicles will never happen. The power grid can’t handle it. Not to mention you’ll still need fossil fuels to generate the power so you can charge these vehicles. The left is stupid as they come.

This is the issue no one wants to include in their "Net Zero" plan.  Power is simply being taken for granted.

Power companies have been issuing rebates for energy efficiency for decades.  Why?  The grid doesn't have the ability to handle the load.
It's cheaper for them to give you a $500 check for buying an energy efficient appliance, than it is to invest in a grid that can handle the load of less efficient appliances.
Heck, PSE will give you a fridge FOR FREE if your current fridge is old enough, they even deliver, install, and haul off the old one.

They have screwed themselves by not investing in upgrading their own systems.  They see it now, but it might be too late.

We will soon see load shedding devices in all our homes.  We will be forced to install battery banks that can charge in off-peak hours and distribute during on-peak hours.  That is, until the grid can't keep up, and off-peak becomes non existant.  Which WILL happen, since all these cars and battery banks will be forced to charge at night.

The City of Seattle is trying to enact code to require all new domestic water heating to be electric only.  No more natural gas, oil, or propane.  H/P or resistive only.
Meanwhile....  Bonneville, PSE and SCL, and freaking out, knowing fully that they can't handle or keep up with that kind of load.  But they aren't listening.

So again, what will happen?  Load shedding.  You will no longer have control of your own power consumption.

Load shedding is already happening in the San Juans.  Better start looking into Tesla Powerwalls and Solar panels.

And at the same time off grid building is discouraged, and people that have been promised the power companies would buy back surpluses have been lied to.

It will be a long time before i get rid of my Cummins truck.
The power that bee want to push this whole Green Schtick,  and if i could figure out how it makes me more free and independent id probably sign on.

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[Stein]

Power companies issue rebates and free bulbs because they are under regulatory mandate and have to.  States force them to engage in conservation programs which is directly against their wish of selling every person more power.

There is virtually an unlimited amount of power available and can be scaled up as fast as we want or need it.

There are issues on the distribution side, particularly on loading of residential transformers, but in the short term it can be addressed through timing and load management.  Over time, the utility will upgrade for anyone wanting to buy the power once there is a demonstrated need.  Regulators will be much more open to cost recovery when it is directly linked to ev charging needs.

Battery technology is the choke point for sure.

[WSU]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

Economics may get rid of hydro on the Columbia.  BPA's rates are not competitive with rates on the open market, and their contracts are up for renewal (or not) in 2028.  An article I read recently had BPA's rates at something like $36 per mega watt hour and the open market at $21-23. 

[Jingles]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

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What they need to do for all these people that want to breach the dams  and close the coal fired generators is just shut off all E production except for solar and wind for 30 days. See how long that would last before folks changed their minds and started bytching about no power.

[Stein]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

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What they need to do for all these people that want to breach the dams  and close the coal fired generators is just shut off all E production except for solar and wind for 30 days. See how long that would last before folks changed their minds and started bytching about no power.

Agreed.  The false argument is whether we should have hydro or not.  The honest argument is whether we should have hydro or ?.  If you remove a dam, you need to replace it with something.  Pick your poison knowing that as great as wind is, it's not base generation or spinning reserves so you would need wind + coal, gas or nuclear.

[Hilltop123]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

E
What they need to do for all these people that want to breach the dams  and close the coal fired generators is just shut off all E production except for solar and wind for 30 days. See how long that would last before folks changed their minds and started bytching about no power.

Agreed.  The false argument is whether we should have hydro or not.  The honest argument is whether we should have hydro or ?.  If you remove a dam, you need to replace it with something.  Pick your poison knowing that as great as wind is, it's not base generation or spinning reserves so you would need wind + coal, gas or nuclear.

Magical Unicorn farts, yup a most excellent substitute.

[KFhunter]

Used cars will be a fortune and gas will be unafordable if they all decide to go that route.

Maybe they are just trying to look like they are working on it so the Dems dont just force it on them like California.

Ya, lip service

Hedging the Biden admin will be single term

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[JimmyHoffa]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

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What they need to do for all these people that want to breach the dams  and close the coal fired generators is just shut off all E production except for solar and wind for 30 days. See how long that would last before folks changed their minds and started bytching about no power.

Agreed.  The false argument is whether we should have hydro or not.  The honest argument is whether we should have hydro or ?.  If you remove a dam, you need to replace it with something.  Pick your poison knowing that as great as wind is, it's not base generation or spinning reserves so you would need wind + coal, gas or nuclear.

  Tough sometimes to try to explain away the real carbon costs in many new technologies if you trace it back through demand (like extra mining and refining of certain elements) to get a more accurate comparison of the trade offs with existing tech where much of the cost is sunk.