Spring bear public comment is open

[Tbar]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times.  People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out.  Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.

@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take.  I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal.  And have made inroads with the commission.  This will be an uphill battle for sure.

[Bullkllr]

I looked back a few pages but didn't see it posted here. Did others see or hear the Western Huntsman podcast that commissioner Jim Anderson was on? I think it is a good listen when preparing your comments for tomorrow. Basically Anderson says to focus comments on hunting culture, why hunting is important to you, how hunting is part of you and your family and that kind of thing. The commission has seen the numbers and science. They need to see rational, passionate conservationists that support the spring bear hunt. We need to tell them why this hunt and hunting in general is so important to us. The anti's are attacking something they don't understand and they will make that obvious. Make your position and passion clear in your comments.
see you tomorrow

Good ideas 
It was in another thread:https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,269007.0.html

But here it is: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ

The advice from Anderson to those commenting starts around 30:00 btw.

[Chesapeake]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times.  People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out.  Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.

@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take.  I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal.  And have made inroads with the commission.  This will be an uphill battle for sure.

Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?

Pretty certain in the context of this conversation AR would be "Animal Rights Activists".

[Tbar]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times.  People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out.  Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.

@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take.  I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal.  And have made inroads with the commission.  This will be an uphill battle for sure.

Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?

Oh, about the "anti's don't make comments like these" part? Like directly calling the Commissioners morons? Which none of the anti comments I posted are doing. They're just verbally abusive comments directed towards hunters. Probably not effective in a similar way though. I presume you think this comment is appropriate and will sway our three new Commissioners to vote in support of the season?

You're a know all so please let me know.

[ganghis]

Ooof, just saw this

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/was-controversial-spring-black-bear-hunt-could-be-revived-heres-how/

Not entirely one sided (I like that she reports the actual number of lactating sows harvested), but the overall tone seemed to go towards the antis (esp the Koontz interview).  Guessing there will be a last minute comment push for the 'anti' side.

[Tbar]

Ooof, just saw this

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/was-controversial-spring-black-bear-hunt-could-be-revived-heres-how/

Not entirely one sided (I like that she reports the actual number of lactating sows harvested), but the overall tone seemed to go towards the antis (esp the Koontz interview).  Guessing there will be a last minute comment push for the 'anti' side.

I feel like it could have been much worse especially considering the timing. 

[pickardjw]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times.  People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out.  Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.

@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take.  I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal.  And have made inroads with the commission.  This will be an uphill battle for sure.

Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?

Oh, about the "anti's don't make comments like these" part? Like directly calling the Commissioners morons? Which none of the anti comments I posted are doing. They're just verbally abusive comments directed towards hunters. Probably not effective in a similar way though. I presume you think this comment is appropriate and will sway our three new Commissioners to vote in support of the season?

You're a know all so please let me know.

Lol okay. Not gonna feed the troll anymore. Looks like the mods even took down the post with that screenshot because their comment was so inappropriate (and it was made by a "pro-hunter" btw)

[Mr Mykiss]

This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting  arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.

[hunter399]

This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting  arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.

Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.

[Ghost Hunter]

This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting  arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.

Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.

   

I usually buy mine between Christmas and February.  Waiting for the spring bear application to show this year.  Haven't even bought MS permit applications yet.

[Bullkllr]

 I don't think it's time to give up. If we choose not to participate we know what the outcome will be. I don't believe in the process completely either, but the more voices we have the better. The fact that they opened the issue back up at all should be motivation for us all to get involved. The comments in the open comment portal are just background noise at this point. There is still time to email the commission and let our voices be heard. Comments are being taken though March 12, TOMMOROW!

Do we really want to watch this go down without doing what we can to save it? I've never hunted spring bear; I'm just trying to support those who might. It's another domino, folks; let's not just watch it fall.

I encourage everyone to listen to the podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ

[Chesapeake]

Podcast 99 where he talks to the Idaho commissioner is good as well. Gives you some idea of how these folks handle and perceive public comments.

[HillHound]

This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting  arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.

Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.

   

I usually buy mine between Christmas and February.  Waiting for the spring bear application to show this year.  Haven't even bought MS permit applications yet.

Same here. Usually would’ve bought them long ago but still waiting to see what happens with the spring bear application

[Rainier10]

Testimony starts at 10am possibly sooner but Acting Chair decided that they will only hear testimony until noon.  200 peoples signed up to speak, 2 minute limit but they won't get to everyone.  Some of the commissioners are upset that the Chair is cutting testimony off and believe all signed up to speak should be allowed.  Again the acting Chair made the decision to only hear testimony to noon, she says the decision was hers and hers alone.

[buckfvr]

Why go on and on with it when a decision is already made ?  I believe at this point they all know where they stand.  Protocol.