1x scopes/red dots

[cem3434]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

[hunter399]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

As Always though ,what's ethical and what people do or try are to different things.
Honestly technology is not being considered in our regulations, That's everything from E-bikes to cell trail cams.
Many other states are laying down the law for certain technologies and as always Washington is late to the party.
As far as scopes on muzzle loaders goes ,I say whatever ,I'm tired of giving a @$!# .More opportunities for hunters the better. People will shoot muzzle loader out to 300 yards ,open site or scope anyway . So why should anybody give a rats @$! I what kind of sites they have.
I'm already thinking about crossbow durring muzzy season, So don't think for one second that these regulation changes will make hunting easier . Cause I'm already thinking about how my participation will change.

As the saying goes,can't beat'em,join'em then.

[JimmyHoffa]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

Would you apply the same to archery?  Recurve/longbow with wood shaft arrows?

[hunter399]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

Would you apply the same to archery?  Recurve/longbow with wood shaft arrows?

I'm my opinion ,we are at a pretty good balance of technology and fair chase vs ethical right now.
No need to go backwards to caveman ,stick and rock.
Some of the proposal for archery ,are more for range finding,before the shot,finding game animal after the shot.
Which I don't see any issue with that.
Now like using dogs to find wounded game.
1) people will use it as an excuse to use dog in aid of hunting before the shot.
2) people may ruin somebody's hunt plans ,when they have there dog out there for two days after the shot looking for a wounded animal that they most likely are not gonna find.

Public land and hunters trying to get away from each other in our short seasons is already a crap shoot. But hey let's add some dogs in there ,that will make it better.
FYI TOO, If we had longer seasons for deer and Elk ,I would not have one problem with dogs to find wounded game.
Most states that do allow it also have a lot longer seasons.
And the perception of hunters to non-hunters is not good.
Just watched a YouTube video of poachers using dogs at night to hunt deer.

[cem3434]

   I would generally agree with hunter399 on this. I don't think we want to go backwards, but I'm not for making the equipment so good that the average guy thinks he can shoot an elk at 100 yards with a bow or 300 yards with a muzzy.  My only argument against technology, is how many animals are mortality wounded due to people being overly confident in their abilities because there equipment can do it, but they can not?

[hunter399]

  I would generally agree with hunter399 on this. I don't think we want to go backwards, but I'm not for making the equipment so good that the average guy thinks he can shoot an elk at 100 yards with a bow or 300 yards with a muzzy.  My only argument against technology, is how many animals are mortality wounded due to people being overly confident in their abilities because there equipment can do it, but they can not?

That is true....
I'm really over it with technology and hunting.
Like said above I'm all for more opportunities,and I'll just partake in those technologies myself then.
I'm all abored the crazy train.....

[baldopepper]

Personally hate to see the scope thing start.  Started slow in Utah then progressed to what it is now-a single shot high powered rifle hunt.  Switched our Utah hunts over to modern because there as many hunters out on the muzzle loader hunt as the rifle hunt. Guns most are using there are a long way from being a traditional muzzle loader and I don't see why they need a separate early season.  Miss the old days when hunting skills were more important than the gear you used to get your animal.

[Ghost Hunter]

I've got 3 muzzleloaders.  Two are round ball shooters.  I've got a 1x on the shelf for the Knight, if the crossbow option doesn't make it.  I'll be stand hunting primarily unless I draw a tag.  Planning on Status quo for now.

[Oh Mah]

I dont care either way on this,if you dont think they should be allowed because its not traditional would you agree with going for a more muzzy traditional season?you know like it used to be.Antlerless or 3 point min.they took away most if not all of the perks to muzzy and now were discussing making it a little easier for people with smoke poles to harvest the unicorns during elk season and bucks that hardly exist especially within 100 yards in most areas. 

[JakeLand]

Has anyone mounted a 1X scope with a 1” tube on a knight disc extreme? I just mounted one with the 2 piece bases from knight and low rings and it seems like it’s still mounted high off the barrel. If you have what bases and rings are you using
Thanks Jake

[huntnnw]

Personally hate to see the scope thing start.  Started slow in Utah then progressed to what it is now-a single shot high powered rifle hunt.  Switched our Utah hunts over to modern because there as many hunters out on the muzzle loader hunt as the rifle hunt. Guns most are using there are a long way from being a traditional muzzle loader and I don't see why they need a separate early season.  Miss the old days when hunting skills were more important than the gear you used to get your animal.

  exactly where its going here. Permit hunts with 100 apps will go to 150 and so on as it gets easier and closer to rifles

[lazydrifter]

Has anyone mounted a 1X scope with a 1” tube on a knight disc extreme? I just mounted one with the 2 piece bases from knight and low rings and it seems like it’s still mounted high off the barrel. If you have what bases and rings are you using
Thanks Jake

Here's a picture of my Disc Extreme with a 1X scope mounted on a set of Leupold QR rings.  They are lows.  The QR bases are the same ones that fit a Remington 541.  I like this setup because you can pop the scope off if needed.  And by having extra rings you can set up different scopes.  I have a Leupold 3-9x40 mounted on an extra set of rings that can go on if I am hunting in a firearm restricted area during rifle season.  Plus a nice scope comes in handy when you're doing load development.

[JakeLand]

Thanks lazydrifter ! That’s a lot lower sitting then mine

[Damnimissed]

Thanks lazydrifter ! That’s a lot lower sitting then mine

Did you get that Nikon from that guy on Rokslide?

[JakeLand]

I actually got 2 one for the daughter and one as a spare , I’ve got a vortex on mine