which glass is best

[Karl Blanchard]

The last vx6 I did was just like Stein observed.  Didnt show till about 4 MOA but by 20 MOA it had walked 2.5 MOA.

On my rifle 20 MOA is about 800 yards. Are you saying the vx6 will be off by 20 inches to the left or right? That seems like a non-starter for anybody actually trying to shoot that far.
 
For you guys that own the NF NX-8, how much time do you spend messing with the parallax adjustment to get the parallax out? It doesn’t have yardage printed on the turret like the Leupolds do. Is it fairly obvious that the target is in focus or do you still have to move your head around to make sure the reticle isn't moving around?   

correct.

[grundy53]

Its definitely the erector system Stein. Ive done tracking tests on quite a few vx5 and 6's the last few years and every single one starts walking horizontally.

Over on rokslide there is a member who is doing very in depth testing of scopes. Its definitely worth jumping over there and doing a deep dive. Lota of scopes still to come.  He isn't biased and he doesn't pull punches.

https://www.rokslide.com/forums/forums/rifle-scope-field-evaluations.133/

That link takes you to a main page. I recommend reading the green link about how the tests are conducted and then below that link are the seperate scope evals.

I've been following this thread. Very eye opening. I have a feeling it's going to get pretty expensive for me...

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[Karl Blanchard]

Its definitely the erector system Stein. Ive done tracking tests on quite a few vx5 and 6's the last few years and every single one starts walking horizontally.

Over on rokslide there is a member who is doing very in depth testing of scopes. Its definitely worth jumping over there and doing a deep dive. Lota of scopes still to come.  He isn't biased and he doesn't pull punches.

https://www.rokslide.com/forums/forums/rifle-scope-field-evaluations.133/

That link takes you to a main page. I recommend reading the green link about how the tests are conducted and then below that link are the seperate scope evals.

I've been following this thread. Very eye opening. I have a feeling it's going to get pretty expensive for me...

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one of my all time favorite scopes ever is my old mark 4. Ive owned a lot of good leupolds over the years. With that said, I can't wait for Form to start drop testing the vx line and breaking the internet. Leupold needs a good metaphorical slapping across the back of the head.

[b23]

Leupold needs a good metaphorical slapping across the back of the head.

 

Unfortunately, I think there's a few companies that could benefit from the same.

[Karl Blanchard]

Leupold needs a good metaphorical slapping across the back of the head.

 

Unfortunately, I think there's a few companies that could benefit from the same.

you're not wrong! Especially for the prices they charge. I don't mind paying a mortgage payment for a scope but the son of a gun better function.

[grundy53]

Its definitely the erector system Stein. Ive done tracking tests on quite a few vx5 and 6's the last few years and every single one starts walking horizontally.

Over on rokslide there is a member who is doing very in depth testing of scopes. Its definitely worth jumping over there and doing a deep dive. Lota of scopes still to come.  He isn't biased and he doesn't pull punches.

https://www.rokslide.com/forums/forums/rifle-scope-field-evaluations.133/

That link takes you to a main page. I recommend reading the green link about how the tests are conducted and then below that link are the seperate scope evals.

I've been following this thread. Very eye opening. I have a feeling it's going to get pretty expensive for me...

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one of my all time favorite scopes ever is my old mark 4. Ive owned a lot of good leupolds over the years. With that said, I can't wait for Form to start drop testing the vx line and breaking the internet. Leupold needs a good metaphorical slapping across the back of the head.

Yeah, I've always been a Leupold guy. Probably because my dad and all of his buddies were. But it's probably telling that everyone had to sight in their rifles every year. Not just check zero. I was surprised when I got a Nightforce and it actually held zero for a whole year and I took it out and shot it through out the year. The Nightforce is their low end offering too (SHV).

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[thinkingman]

Its definitely the erector system Stein. Ive done tracking tests on quite a few vx5 and 6's the last few years and every single one starts walking horizontally.

Over on rokslide there is a member who is doing very in depth testing of scopes. Its definitely worth jumping over there and doing a deep dive. Lota of scopes still to come.  He isn't biased and he doesn't pull punches.

https://www.rokslide.com/forums/forums/rifle-scope-field-evaluations.133/

That link takes you to a main page. I recommend reading the green link about how the tests are conducted and then below that link are the seperate scope evals.

I've been following this thread. Very eye opening. I have a feeling it's going to get pretty expensive for me...

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one of my all time favorite scopes ever is my old mark 4. Ive owned a lot of good leupolds over the years. With that said, I can't wait for Form to start drop testing the vx line and breaking the internet. Leupold needs a good metaphorical slapping across the back of the head.

The whole state of Oregon will protest that result!

Funny, I've never trusted Leupold scopes and whenever I bring that up, I feel like I'm Tucker Carlson on The View.

[Stein]

The VX line is priced similarly to Vortex mid to upper and likely will perform similar.  The model for those is you drop it, it either shifts and you re-zero or you break it, send it in and they fix it.  It's pretty common for people to be concerned if they give their scope a drop or smack it on something.  I don't know many people that think their scope they paid less than $1,000 is going to be super rugged and withstand multiple drops without losing zero.

That said, it looks like the zero drop test is claiming victims in the $1,000 - $2,000+ range and that is something that concerns me as I look for my next scope.  Paying that kind of money I would want something that tracks and holds zero reliably.

I would expect sub $1,000 Vortex and Leupolds (and any other brand for that matter) to both track relatively poorly and fail the drop test.  Put them on your rifle, zero, don't touch them and don't drop them, check your zero when you travel or have reason to believe they have been subject to impact.  That's basically how they have been used historically and how they should be used today.  Works great for the 100-300 yard shots the vast majority of game are taken with.

[Karl Blanchard]

I'd agree with most of that except for the part about people not having absolute confidence in their sub 1k scopes. Id argue the opposite. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who wouldn't argue to his grave that his vortex razor isn't the end all be all to rifle scopes.

[grundy53]

The VX line is priced similarly to Vortex mid to upper and likely will perform similar.  The model for those is you drop it, it either shifts and you re-zero or you break it, send it in and they fix it.  It's pretty common for people to be concerned if they give their scope a drop or smack it on something.  I don't know many people that think their scope they paid less than $1,000 is going to be super rugged and withstand multiple drops without losing zero.

That said, it looks like the zero drop test is claiming victims in the $1,000 - $2,000+ range and that is something that concerns me as I look for my next scope.  Paying that kind of money I would want something that tracks and holds zero reliably.

I would expect sub $1,000 Vortex and Leupolds (and any other brand for that matter) to both track relatively poorly and fail the drop test.  Put them on your rifle, zero, don't touch them and don't drop them, check your zero when you travel or have reason to believe they have been subject to impact.  That's basically how they have been used historically and how they should be used today.  Works great for the 100-300 yard shots the vast majority of game are taken with.

The drops aren't what concern me with the sub $1,000 scopes. It's the loss of zero from just riding around in a truck. Which is how most of us get to our hunting spots. It was eye opening how many lost zero while riding in the back seat of Form's truck. But you are right about the scopes in the $1,000-$2,000 range. I would expect more durability.

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[grundy53]

I'd agree with most of that except for the part about people not having absolute confidence in their sub 1k scopes. Id argue the opposite. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who wouldn't argue to his grave that his vortex razor isn't the end all be all to rifle scopes.

Or their Leupold.

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[HUNT JR]

I went with the buy once cry once mentality and just went straight to Nightforce NXS. Had it on my rifle for 3 years now and have not had a zero issue and it tracks every single time. Durability is 2nd to none. Glass is good enough for me in a scope, if you wanted higher end glass then get an ATACR or NX8.

[Ingwe]

I have been a leupold man since about 1974. I admit most of mine are older Leupolds but I have never had a problem. I have vari x 11, vari x 111, vx11, and vx3 models. My favorite has always been the older vari x 111 in 2.5 -8 x36. I have hunted in Africa several times, Alaska 3 times, British Columbia 3 times plus deer and elk every year. I hunt hard and and fallen many times. I have had them on guns from 270 up to 375 and have never had a problem. I can honestly say I have never had to change zero unless I changed bullets.

[Alchase]

 

I have three Leupold VX3 3x9, and a few Firedots as well. None have ever “lost Zero” on their own. I do confirm zero before every opening day, which every responsible hunter should do. I also shoot my hunting rifles often, not just before opening day.
I have never actually seen a Leopold fail. Not saying it can’t happen. But I have actually witnessed three Vortex Razer Gen IIs fail shooting .223s as well as two Vipers.
 But damn they have a great warranty! Said every Vortex owner ever.
Leupold also has a fantastic warranty, the difference is the average Leupold owner will never have to use it.
I love the features and functions the Vortext Razor has. I would not even consider buying one let alone having my life depend on one with the failure rate I have seen.

[BigGoonTuna]

most of my scopes are leupolds, but most are also 10+ years old. all of them hold zero well.

i've definitely experienced the headaches of having to shoot several times to "settle" my vx3/vx3i scopes though.

i bought a meopta meopro (branded as an "instinct") on closeout from cabela's a few years ago, that was a real eye opener.  bullets hitting 2" to the left at 100 yards?  move the windage 8 clicks to the right, and it's spot on.

i still like my old leupolds, but it's because i'm what many would consider to be a fudd.  i dislike 30mm tubes, big clunky eyepieces, and heavy scopes with a bunch of "tactical" clutter for a reticle.  most of my guns are long actions, and most new scopes are too short and stubby to mount without a rail or ugly extension rings, despite weighing 20+ ounces.  leupold has kind of broken my heart in the last several years by discontinuing many of their good, lighter scope offerings, closing the custom shop, and making the "wide duplex" reticle the only choice on several of their scopes (i really, really liked their german #4).

all that said, my last scope purchase was a tract toric 2-10x42.  i've heard rave reviews about them and they are available in a german #4-ish reticle (they call it the "t-plex").  glass clarity is outstanding, the only gripe i have is that it's on the heavy side (18oz if i'm not mistaken).