e-bike on state land survey

[KFhunter]

I don't even know what Mackelmore is, but Ya I agree.

More non-hunting and fishing people using the woods, replacing former user groups with new user groups and their bigger voices.

[trophyhunt]

To me it's another example of WDFW not managing fish and wildlife.   Instead of fighting for increased access for what should be their constituency base, they keep wanting to bring non-outdoor enthusiasts into the woods and then they claim that they need to redirect department resources towards serving those people?  We have laws on the books about non-motorized access which actually work.  Why change them?  Don't forget that there are thousands of miles of paved roads for e-bikes to use all over the state but public wilderness access shrinks every year.  If I wake up early and hike my butt off to get away from crowds, only to have a millennial scoot by on an e-bike with Macklemore playing on a boom box, ill explode.  Leave the wilderness in DNR and State managed lands wild!

Ive never played Macklemore on my boom box while riding!!   

[KFhunter]

Omg I just youtubed macklemore ,  downtown, and they're goin on about mopeds 


Not my music,  couldn't get through it all

[Chesterdog]

Something else to consider... There is currently a lawsuit pending with the Wa. State Supreme Court about a bicycle accident at Cecil Moses Memorial Park in Tukwila that left the rider a quadriplegic.  The case boils down to weather the bike trail is a "Transportation corridor", which would potentially leave the county liable for the injured rider, or if it's a "recreation property", which historical president has determined carries with it a waiver of liability to the land owner. 

Federal funding has increased dramatically for building and expanding transportation corridors despite the fact that they leave the State and County vulnerable to lawsuits.  Is that what this e-bike survey is all about?

[KFhunter]

No, I think its trying to support a complicated class system of ebikes, and their usage on state land non motorized areas.

We used to have classes of motorcycles too.

[buckfvr]

A management ideal that is less to zero about hunters and more about other user groups, especially those that might expand to displace hunters.

All the while sitting around a campfire trying in vain to decide what gender they are.

[fireweed]

So many choices...I'm so confused!  Class 1, 2, 3, 2 or 3, 1 or 3
binary, non-binary, gender fluid and what does this have to do with e-bikes?

[CP]

Something else to consider... There is currently a lawsuit pending with the Wa. State Supreme Court about a bicycle accident at Cecil Moses Memorial Park in Tukwila that left the rider a quadriplegic.  The case boils down to weather the bike trail is a "Transportation corridor", which would potentially leave the county liable for the injured rider, or if it's a "recreation property", which historical president has determined carries with it a waiver of liability to the land owner. 

Federal funding has increased dramatically for building and expanding transportation corridors despite the fact that they leave the State and County vulnerable to lawsuits.  Is that what this e-bike survey is all about?

This survey and the upcoming virtual public meetings are in response to a couple of bills that require public input on the matter.  Prior to these bills the DNR and WDFW basically went against the state law that defines what a bicycle is and unilaterally, and without public input, closed off many trails to Ebikes.  Trails that were previously open to all bicycles as defined by RCW 46.04.071.

This process will force the DNR and WDFW to listen to the public's opinion and redo the rules accordingly.

[Jake Dogfish]

Took the survey.
I don’t really understand the classes of ebikes. 
However I had no trouble answering question 14.   

[Chesterdog]

My thinking was that WSDOT was behind the scenes with WDFW trying to allow e-bikes on DRN land so that they can disingenuously claim that they are expanding transit, further allowing them to take away more car lanes in the city.  I'll take off my foil hat.

[KFhunter]

Took the survey.
I don’t really understand the classes of ebikes. 
However I had no trouble answering question 14.   

Ya, and enforcement of these classes of ebikes would be difficult.   

If ebikes are allowed in non-motorized areas I'll convert my bike, and how they gonna know if it's 750w or 1000w?  and why would anyone bother to check?

[hunthard]

I am 100% in favor of allowing ebikes, and here's the kicker....they will sell them to everyone.

[Jingles]

Is this the same crowd that less than 6 months ago were toteing the wonders of how great ebikes were so they didn't to to get up as early and hike in but could ride their ebike and pull their gear in a trailer? Dayum some people can't decide whether to shet or pass gas yet want it both ways

[Bareback]

That survey has no intent to assist hunting, support hunting, or give a rats a** about hunting. The intent is to diversify where, who and/or what uses the land. In the long term, ebikes in non motorized areas will reduce hunting opportunities.

I can see it now, here comes Lorna Smith and crowd on their ebikes to see all the sows and cubs they saved.

[KFhunter]

I see Ebikes supplanting other user groups, then locking them out.