another fishing area closes due to quota

[Flaming Antler Outdoors]

Speechless, so everyone..........if you want to fish go out the first couple days of any AREA OPENING because if you catch fish you won't have any other opportunity. If you don't catch anything WDFW will keep it open until you show there are fish and then.............down it goes. 

 
WDFW FISHING RULE CHANGE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
1111 Washington St. SE, Olympia, WA 98501
wdfw.wa.gov

 
July 11, 2022
Salmon fishing suspended in south-central Puget Sound (Marine Area 11) beginning July 13
Action: Closes salmon fishing.
Effective date: July 13 through Aug. 2, 2022.
Species affected: Salmon.
Location: Marine Area 11
Reason for action: Estimates of landed catch to date indicate that 58% of the harvest quota (1,625 of 2,816) agreed to in this year’s List of Agreed Fisheries (LOAF) has been landed. Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. Therefore, WDFW is suspending the fishery through Aug. 2 to preserve opportunity for later in the summer season.
Additional information: Marine Area 11 will reopen Wednesday, Aug. 3, on a Wednesday to Saturday schedule as listed in the 2022/23 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.
Year-round fishing piers, Dash Point Dock, Des Moines Pier, Les Davis Pier, Point Defiance Boathouse Dock, and Redondo Pier remain open as listed in the 2022/23 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.
To be informed of fishery rule changes as they are announced, anglers are encouraged to sign up for WDFW rule update emails at wdfw.wa.gov/about/lists .
Information contact: Fish Program, 360-902-2700
 
Fishers must have a current Washington fishing license, appropriate to the fishery. Check the WDFW "Fishing in Washington" rules pamphlet for details on fishing seasons and regulations. Fishing rules are subject to change. Check the WDFW Fishing hotline for the latest rule information at 360-902-2500, press 2 for recreational rules. For the Shellfish Rule Change hotline call 360-796-3215 or toll free 1-866-880-5431.
Individuals who need to receive this information in an alternative format, language, or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact the Title VI/ADA Compliance Coordinator by phone at 360-902-2349, TTY (711), or email (Title6@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see https://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/requests-accommodation.
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[Flaming Antler Outdoors]

What kills me is..........tribal nets will go in right after sportsman closure because............well the sportsman test fishery is completed and now we have to give our partners their share.  3% of the population gets 50% of the fish.   

[bigdub257]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

[fishngamereaper]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...

I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.

[Griiz]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...

I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.

I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.

[Stein]

Devil's advocate here, fishing seems to be abnormally good in many areas and there are tons of boats on the water.

Or, as many said, it's encounters so there could be a bunch of smolt being projected to have been caught as opposed to adult fish bonked. 

[Tbar]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...

I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.

I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.

Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters?  SMH

[Crunchy]

I’m pretty bummed on this closure as it is my normal spot. I think they underestimated the return because the fishing was pretty dang good. The big fish haven’t even moved into 11 yet.

[Dysfunctional Vet]

I’m glad they leave the piers open for me since I’m land locked. At least I can practice my casting all day. Lol

[trophyhunt]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...

I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.

I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.

Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters?  SMH

what’s your point? I’m a bit confused, are you saying the tribes won’t fish as usual?

[bigdub257]

I fish area 11 alot and have had no "encounters" with shakers at all. I'd estimate 25% of the fish we've hooked have had adipose fins ("natives"  ) and were released.  Most of the fish have been 10-20 pounds caught trolling hoochies or plugs. Everyone I stay in contact with has had the same experience.  They are inflating the numbers way too drastically.  I just hope they don't close down area 13 next.  This state gives me heartburn.

[fishngamereaper]

Shut 11 down the day before 9/10 opens .
That's going to end well. Gee.. Wonder why areas are seeing increase in pressure.

Don't get me started on the ma 4/5 debacle...

Wdfw is playing chess with the salmon season's. We are just pawns.

[wadu1]

"Year-round fishing piers, Dash Point Dock" I don't think so. It's been closed for 2 or 3 years.

[Griiz]

I also heard that wdfw are using their test boats and are now utilizing the tribes help in testing how many clipped keepers are being caught in relation to unmarked or shakers and using this data to calculate mortality and overall quota. One of those tester groups has been having a much higher ratio of unkeepable fish that is counting against the sports fisherman. Then you have our fish being caught in Canada and Alaska and that hurts fisherman in our area too when calculating our quota.

[2MANY]

WDFW is nothing more than a group of paper educated idiots.

They swim in a world of paper fish.

Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.

[trophyhunt]

WDFW is nothing more than a group of paper educated idiots.

They swim in a world of paper fish.

Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.

Except for shanequa, she does a good job.  But seriously, I agree with you, this is such BS.

[Limhangerslayer]

Not to mention the area 1 nearshore closure.  Because the king quota hit 29%.  Maybe don’t let people keep 22” fish as adults?  I know that would help in the early part of the season.

[JBG]

WDFW is nothing more than a group of paper educated idiots.

They swim in a world of paper fish.

Morons should all be fired and a private contractor should manage our resources.

Yes a private contractor.  What could go wrong 

[duckmen1]

Not to mention the area 1 nearshore closure.  Because the king quota hit 29%.  Maybe don’t let people keep 22” fish as adults?  I know that would help in the early part of the season.

Only thing is you would release a 22 incher and then the encounter would close the fishery.  This state

[metlhead]

This info really hampers my plans to spend a lot of money in small towns this summer. Since I'm getting dinged on every fish I imagine, then I imagine no more fish will be released from my boat. They've created their own problems. This state can suck it.

[Limhangerslayer]

Luckily we never catch any shakers or wild fish when we’re fishing anywhere!  Kind of surprising, guess we’re just that good!😉😂

[fishngamereaper]

Luckily we never catch any shakers or wild fish when we’re fishing anywhere!  Kind of surprising, guess we’re just that good!😉😂

Problem is they don't care what you or I report...they are making up the numbers as they go.

[metlhead]

Do the agreed upon quotas include encounters? If not, this really seems like a legal issue that the state is doing something wrong.

[metlhead]

Also, are tribal and commercial numbers calculated with encounters or physical dead fish?

[JBG]

Also, are tribal and commercial numbers calculated with encounters or physical dead fish?

If they are using nets or dip nets I think the encounter is either the fish is dead or there wasnt an encounter. Im not sure if there is a mortality associated with a fish that momentarily gets caught in the net then swims out of it.  There is a mortality that has been studied with fisherman encounters with fish.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Luckily we never catch any shakers or wild fish when we’re fishing anywhere!  Kind of surprising, guess we’re just that good!😉😂

Problem is they don't care what you or I report...they are making up the numbers as they go.

After being intimately involved and working for WDFW........I endorse this advertisement!   

[metlhead]

I agree that fishermen do cause mortality with encounters, but to assume people have encounters is wrong. At 5 to 1, I go out and immediately catch and bonk one fish. The fish checker assumes I hooked 5 others, and checks 6 fish off the quota. Seems odd they would actually do that, but who knows what the truth is.

[Limhangerslayer]

And depends on the intelligence of the fish checker.  We had one a couple years ago not even acknowledge that there were 3 kings out of 8 fish in the box.  Marked them all coho

[Viking360]

Whats with them asking what boat launch you came from while out fishing?

[Wetwoodshunter]

I'll just say some of these comments are spot on and some are off the mark. I feel like this topic comes up every year.

I think the main problem is the increasing base of recreational anglers and lack of released fish to accommodate them. Puget Sound fisheries are doomed, ya'll have no habitat anymore, restoration is happening slower than development of the same habitat type they are trying to make. And the general disassociation between the public and where their food or others (sportsmans) actually come from leads the public to view harvest in a bad light.

Suing the federal government and the state has become big business for non-profits. By law all their expenses are paid for if the win the case, therefore can hire the largest legal team they can assemble for free. Then they use the lawyers to exploit loopholes to close hatcheries, fisheries etc. under the guise of preserving the resource.

Just wait, until next year when the state drops their "Capture with a camera not on a hook campaign."

  I'm out 

[HUNTIN4SIX]

I'll just say some of these comments are spot on and some are off the mark. I feel like this topic comes up every year.

I think the main problem is the increasing base of recreational anglers and lack of released fish to accommodate them. Puget Sound fisheries are doomed, ya'll have no habitat anymore, restoration is happening slower than development of the same habitat type they are trying to make. And the general disassociation between the public and where their food or others (sportsmans) actually come from leads the public to view harvest in a bad light.

Suing the federal government and the state has become big business for non-profits. By law all their expenses are paid for if the win the case, therefore can hire the largest legal team they can assemble for free. Then they use the lawyers to exploit loopholes to close hatcheries, fisheries etc. under the guise of preserving the resource.

Just wait, until next year when the state drops their "Capture with a camera not on a hook campaign."

  I'm out 

 
Hatcheries are a lifeline where production has been decreased for the sake of “wild” fish recovery.  Production needs to be brought back to 90’s levels. 

[jackelope]

Creel reports don't show anywhere near 58%.  Not sure how they manipulate the catch numbers but they must calculate a pretty big fudge factor on top of what they observe.  Politics like everything else.

Encounters..
Average 5-10 to 1. Minimum.
They baited us into believing this year was going to be a stellar season of opportunity...with good fishing. Buy your license....blah blah..
Well it's great fishing... it's the opportunity that is disappearing daily. For rec guys anyway.
Area 5 is soon to follow according to sources.
All our seasons will soon end up being a mad rush of a couple days...

I have a suspicion of why the quota's "allegedly" are getting burned up fast ..but it will get my blood pressure up to talk about it.

I’d imagine a different user group is going over there quota and the sportsman get punished for it.

Did you read the release? It says "Feedback from Puget Sound Sports Fishing Advisory Group and other members of the public indicated a desire to preserve Chinook fishing opportunity for August. "
So did tribes infiltrate the advisory group? Or did they stop at agreed upon Encounters?  SMH

what’s your point? I’m a bit confused, are you saying the tribes won’t fish as usual?

I think what he’s saying is there was an agreed upon quota that was set by “sport fishing advisory group and other members of the public” to preserve the ability to fish kings in august too. So shut it down now and save some fish for august fishing?  Really I have no clue how any of that works, but that’s how I read it.

[Flaming Antler Outdoors]

The reality is WDFW has to use methods to count fish that is probably too aggressive because how else would you counter the effects of a netting industry.  Talk about encounters, under sized, by catch etc.  How many small undersized blackmouth/kings are caught by nets.  Whoa i can only image what a net looks like up in Sekiu or Neah bay between June and August. 

[Stein]

You apply metrics to the nets just the same.  If the tribe or commercial goes over, they go over and should lose quota next year or get a huge quota penalty if you want to take from recs (there should be a big "give" to go along with the take, but that doesn't happen).  Without data we should not be applying anything extra.  Abide by the agreement as written.

That said, I don't know there is any evidence WDFW is doing anything other than that.

Someone should send in a FOI and find out.

[birddogdad]

You apply metrics to the nets just the same.  If the tribe or commercial goes over, they go over and should lose quota next year or get a huge quota penalty if you want to take from recs (there should be a big "give" to go along with the take, but that doesn't happen).  Without data we should not be applying anything extra.  Abide by the agreement as written.

That said, I don't know there is any evidence WDFW is doing anything other than that.

Someone should send in a FOI and find out.

never going to impose restrictions on tribes.. they have lawyers... us however are on our own and low hanging fruit for regulation and fines to payrole the state industry