Seeking help navigating WDFW for a WAC change

[Netminder01]

IMO you are wasting time trying to get the WAC changed. Not happening. You would have more chance in getting an exemption through Legislative action. Still a longshot.

Legislative action? Tell me more

[Netminder01]

IMO you are wasting time trying to get the WAC changed. Not happening. You would have more chance in getting an exemption through Legislative action. Still a longshot.

That was kind of my point also .

Pick the hill you die on .

You Must really love those bugs . Or ....

You're getting an invite to my next, legal boil. You'll understand then 

[Netminder01]

To be fair, Oregon and Minnesota appear to have permit systems for importing crawfish. 

 

All I'm seeking is the same sort of permitting process. Seems fair and safe.

[bigtex]

IMO you are wasting time trying to get the WAC changed. Not happening. You would have more chance in getting an exemption through Legislative action. Still a longshot.

Legislative action? Tell me more

He's saying contact your state legislator to propose a bill to have a law (not a rule/reg like you're currently trying to do) enacted to institute a permit program.

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[GWP]

I really enjoy a crawfish boil, but I am not sure I want any more ‘live’ invasive species of any kind brought in to the State. Frozen, Ok.
Just my take.

[Netminder01]

IMO you are wasting time trying to get the WAC changed. Not happening. You would have more chance in getting an exemption through Legislative action. Still a longshot.

Legislative action? Tell me more

He's saying contact your state legislator to propose a bill to have a law (not a rule/reg like you're currently trying to do) enacted to institute a permit program.

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gotcha, thanks!

[Netminder01]

I really enjoy a crawfish boil, but I am not sure I want any more ‘live’ invasive species of any kind brought in to the State. Frozen, Ok.
Just my take.

They are prone to escape. Not.

 

[Platensek-po]

I really enjoy a crawfish boil, but I am not sure I want any more ‘live’ invasive species of any kind brought in to the State. Frozen, Ok.
Just my take.

They are prone to escape. Not.

 

I mean it’s clearly happened before…

[Netminder01]

I really enjoy a crawfish boil, but I am not sure I want any more ‘live’ invasive species of any kind brought in to the State. Frozen, Ok.
Just my take.

They are prone to escape. Not.

 

I mean it’s clearly happened before…

The catalyst behind classifying the out-of-state crawfish as invasive was an eastside high school biology class that let a few crawfish go in a local stream after their class was finished with the dissecting portion, instead of disposing of them. Those few, kick the crap out of our local crayfish (so to speak). That was the reason explained to me by one of the DFW Invasive Species team members back when the change was made.

I had been doing my crawfish boils for nearly a decade so the sudden change was a head-scratcher. The lack of a permitting process today for consumption still is.

[Skillet]

My gut reaction was to think "No, we really don't need to introduce another unknown risk to our waterways just for someone who wants to live like a Cajun in the PNW."  It seemed like you were asking us to sign up for an unknown level of risk (which if this avenue is opened is not zero, let's be honest) for a vanity project.

But I have to admit, I'm coming around.  How would you suggest the permit process ensure that no crawfish find their way into Washington's waterways?  You must understand that if you are allowed to import crawfish, so is someone else whose actual goal is to set some free in the local creek/pond.

So in your eyes, what does that process look like?

And for what it's worth, I feel your pain. We used to bring in leeches from Wisconsin to fish for walleye.  I think it was 2009 or 2010 that got nipped in the bud due to the potential of VHS being imported. 

[KFhunter]

One dude isn’t going to get the time of day

You need a group, bigger the better, and you do outreach, education, and once your big and vocal enough speak with your representatives, dwf staff

Washington mud bug association

WMBA lol

[Netminder01]

My gut reaction was to think "No, we really don't need to introduce another unknown risk to our waterways just for someone who wants to live like a Cajun in the PNW."  It seemed like you were asking us to sign up for an unknown level of risk (which if this avenue is opened is not zero, let's be honest) for a vanity project.

But I have to admit, I'm coming around.  How would you suggest the permit process ensure that no crawfish find their way into Washington's waterways?  You must understand that if you are allowed to import crawfish, so is someone else whose actual goal is to set some free in the local creek/pond.

So in your eyes, what does that process look like?

And for what it's worth, I feel your pain. We used to bring in leeches from Wisconsin to fish for walleye.  I think it was 2009 or 2010 that got nipped in the bud due to the potential of VHS being imported.

Change occurs one conversation at a time! Welcome! 

Taking a hard look at Oregon's permitting process would be a great place to start. It's in place, from what I understand, effective, and fair. Beyond that, and just spitballin':

1) A reporting requirement like catch/harvest cards. I buy by the pound so I could report back to DFW how many were eaten, and how many were left over. I'd still be responsible for the safe consumption of leftovers but it would provide DFW with increased transparency.

2) Weighing spent shells would not be anywhere close to precise but possible.

3) I'd even welcome DFW to the boil. Hell, I'd even consider a 'give-back' loop to DFW where a small portion of the ticket price is donated to the invasive species DFW team. 

How do you like me now?

[jackelope]

The crawdad love runs deep here.

[KFhunter]

Well honestly I think the horse has left the barn long ago, so much of our waters are already invaded. 

I’d support not having any rules on crayfish other than illegal to dump live crawfish anywhere, native or not. 

[teanawayslayer]

Is there any reason why you couldn’t  get them boiled then shipped on dry ice?