How has deer hunting experiences been up their last few years for folks? Seems the success rate isn't the greatest and being that most can't hunt elk, bear season is always closed to fire danger, and missing berry crop picking due to fire danger, late season at times gets closed due to wet conditions, no spring bear, etc. Mainly seems that the permit is mostly utilized for firewood cutting and deer hunting. Years ago it used to be great for deer. But seems it is on the downward trend. Just seems to be a lot of money for what you get back. What are your guys thoughts on the permit program. Yes the hope to draw the once in a lifetime elk tag seems to be the big incentive to put in from what I see.