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Or for people who can't afford a new EV.
Kind of political so take it easy with your comments.https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/04/12/biden-proposes-standards-designed-to-make-most-new-us-cars-electric-by-2032/?sh=502c46073385
My sister said something like 30% less employees are needed to build an EV versus an ice vehicle? Interesting if true.
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the issue with battery disposal.
EV's are just basically much simpler that internal combustion engines. The issue has always been the energy storage portion. Without that part, it is a nearly impossible sell that they are not superior. The take of portion is remarkable. hit the gas and it goes. In fact, if it weren't for the difficulty in storing electricity all vehicles would have been electric from the start. Electric motors are just far simpler. My wife has a hybrid. It's a fantastic car. As a plug in hybrid it only goes about 30 miles on a charge. Anything over that is on gas. We have had it for a year or so. She has filled it up a handful of times. When I first calculated the gas mileage it was around 150 miles/ gallon. It's likely gotten better since then. We live inside city limits and work close to our home so it's rare that she drives more than 30 miles before being able to plug it in. Obviously, it's a different scenario for those who live far from where they work or far from things. I have always appreciated less unpaid windshield time so my choice has been to live close to work, grocery stores etc. I have actually considered buying an old electric regardless of any reduced battery life. Honestly, I only need like 10 miles of battery storage for a commuter. My solar can charge it at home or at least off set the power used when charging. Reducing my effect on the global oil market that benefits Middle Eastern Ideologues and Russia appeals to me. My electricity is either generated by my own solar or hydro due to where I live.Given that about 80% of Americans live in an urban area, electric cars are probably a superior choice for a majority of US residents. I mean 75% of auto accidents occur within 25 miles of home. That sort of shows you how far from home most Americans are driving. I am not a "car guy" or "truck guy". They are just tools to get me too and from somewhere. My personal identity is not connected to what I drive. I just try to make the most logical decision for me. I am having a hard time seeing how my next vehicle won't be electric or plug in hybrid. For me, it really just would not make sense given where and how I live. I am curious if there will be an increase in used gas vehicles available soon as people transition. There may be some fantastic deals available in a few years for those people that live in more remote areas or who prefer petroleum fuel vehicles.
Quote from: huntnphool on October 04, 2023, 12:41:03 PM I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the issue with battery disposal.What's the issue with battery disposal?
Quote from: CP on October 04, 2023, 12:45:25 PMQuote from: huntnphool on October 04, 2023, 12:41:03 PM I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the issue with battery disposal.What's the issue with battery disposal?The same as with any other battery, including the ones in gas cars. Batteries tend to use heavy metals that are toxic (lead, lithium etc.). So disposing of toxic things is difficult. There are regulations in place that try to keep them from your standard municipal waste landfill. These reg's make the cost of disposal higher than the cost of recycling and therefore incentivize recycling. Otherwise, we'd just landfill them in due to economics as was once done.There are recycling technologies that work for EV batteries just as with lead acid. Companies are doing it. Our "free market" based economy is doing what it does and is creating businesses that fill the need. I am pleased that there are American companies doing it. As with seemingly every market associated with the energy sector there is government interference. The hazardous waste concerns about EV's are kind of humorous to me as I worked in Haz waste for a lot of years. IC cars produce a lot of hazardous was over their life and when disposed of. Essentially, any liquid petroleum product is haz waste when it's disposed of. The cars literally run off a material that has a shelf life after which it becomes hazardous waste. Most IC haz waste streams are recycled or go for "energy recovery". The hazardous waste stream changes from petroleum based haz waste to metals based haz waste with EV's. Recycling metals is not only a thing but given all the concern over mining those same metals, it stands to reason that they are a resource to be recycled.